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Lost polls re: Michael

After discussing the situation with Michael, I'm just curious to see how other people feel about him and what they want to happen to him. No spoilers, just spec.



How do you feel about Michael now that he's a cold-blooded murderer?

I've always liked him, still do
12(19.7%)
Used to like him, but not anymore
7(11.5%)
Never liked him, still don't
31(50.8%)
Never liked him until he went dark
9(14.8%)

Do you feel any sympathy for Michael?

Nope, zero. He had other options besides murder and betrayal.
26(41.3%)
A little. He's in a hard spot.
34(54.0%)
Absolutely! Poor guy!
1(1.6%)

What about him planning to turn over the people on the list?

Even without knowing all the facts, he's willing to sign their death warrants -
39(62.9%)
It's not right, but I'm sure no harm will come to any of them
16(25.8%)
Hey, he just wants Walt back. Everyone else is expendable!
2(3.2%)

What was your reaction when Michael shot Ana & Libby?

OMG!
21(32.8%)
Noooo!
1(1.6%)
Yaaaay!
6(9.4%)
Eh. We knew those two were leaving the show anyway.
22(34.4%)

What's the worst thing Michael has done?

Killing two innocent people (Double murder!)
14(22.2%)
Planning to betray his friends (Characters we actually like!)
39(61.9%)

What punishment should there by for Michael?

Death
20(32.8%)
Exile
22(36.1%)
Shunning
5(8.2%)
None
0(0.0%)

What do you want to happen to Michael?

He needs to die
9(14.5%)
He needs a second chance
3(4.8%)
He needs to join The Others or go off on his own
23(37.1%)
I don't care, as long as he's off the show
8(12.9%)
I don't care, as long as he's still on the show
6(9.7%)

Which would be the biggest copout?

Killing Michael off rather than deal with his betrayal
21(33.3%)
Letting Michael live and get off scott free
42(66.7%)

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thelana
May. 22nd, 2006 06:58 pm (UTC)
How do you feel about Michael now that he's a cold-blooded murderer?

I've always liked him, still do
Used to like him, but not anymore
Never liked him, still don't
Never liked him until he went dark


I think I need a "meh either way" option :D
halfdutch
May. 22nd, 2006 06:59 pm (UTC)
LOL. ;-) I wonder if it was Claire who'd done the shooting how people would feel. Those characters are pretty interchangeable in their 'meh-ness' for me. Who knew being a parent made you so boring and annoying?
thelana
May. 22nd, 2006 07:01 pm (UTC)
I dunno. Maybe Claire could actually rock the psycho look more (from what I remember of her on Roswell). Then again, if it was the same story (I'm doing it for mah baby!!!) it probably would be equal in its mehness.
halfdutch
May. 22nd, 2006 07:04 pm (UTC)
It would be more of a dilemma for themi in dealing with her, since she's a tiny wee girl and all. But the whole angsting over being a parent thing is not written well on this show, when that's the only thing going on with their respective characters. Couldn't they have given them each something else to do at least? The only time I ever liked Michael was when he was building the boat and getting to be friends with Jin and Sawyer, because it wasn't all about Walt for once.
thelana
May. 22nd, 2006 07:06 pm (UTC)
Well there was this hinted potential Michael/Sun thing in the very, very, very beginning, when he walked in on her bathing.

But yeah Michael should be building stuff. That would be tons more interesting than Walt.
halfdutch
May. 22nd, 2006 07:10 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that was interesting while it lasted, but it never went anywhere. They've always been equal opportunity shippers - there was even some Kate/Sayid and Kate/Charlie at the beginning, LOL.

And now Sun's only storyline is about being a mother too. *sighs*
thelana
May. 22nd, 2006 07:18 pm (UTC)
They've always been equal opportunity shippers - there was even some Kate/Sayid and Kate/Charlie at the beginning, LOL.

[small voice] I noticed both of these and kinda sorta wanted both of them.[/small voice] Grin, now that would have been a triangle ;D But yeah, I remember Sayid kissing Kate's hand before taking off after torturing Sawyer
gobsmackit
May. 22nd, 2006 07:10 pm (UTC)
I object to the wording of "Even without knowing all the facts, he's willing to sign their death warrants." YOU JUST SAID WE KNEW NO FACTS, WHY DO YOU SPEAK OF DEATH?!

I think he's probably the most realistic characters and definitely one of the more interesting, lately.
gobsmackit
May. 22nd, 2006 07:10 pm (UTC)
I can English! I SWEAR I KNOW HOW.
halfdutch
May. 22nd, 2006 07:13 pm (UTC)
I mean, for all he knows, The Others are going to kill them. He got no assurances that they won't, and even if he did, can he trust The Others? No. So handing his friends over to the enemy means he's OK with them being killed off. He can't assume they're going to all be OK.

And even though I didn't like Ana or Libby, I really don't want to see him get away with this. If ever anyone did anything on that island to warrant some hardcore punishment, this is it.
gobsmackit
May. 22nd, 2006 07:29 pm (UTC)
I know what you meant, I was kidding, with the caps. But more seriously, eh - he knows that the Others have been keeping people, he was kept by them himself. He's obviously more OK with something unknown happening to the four of them than something unknown happening to his son, and while I think it's shitty, it's not like I can't understand it - even without all those Absent Father Guilt issues Michael's had since the show started.

I'm just going to enjoy the How They Find Out process (what Sayid's suspicions lead to and how it'll affect/ruin Michael's plans for the Walt retrieval) before I see the Dealing With Murderer!Michael issue.
inthekeyofd
May. 22nd, 2006 07:14 pm (UTC)
Michael definitely has to pay for what he did, but probably won't seeing most crimes on that island are either forgotten or swept under the rug (yes I'm still bitter about Sayid torturing Sawyer for no reason) Even though he should have just told them the situation and I'm sure they all would have helped him..at least they would have known what they are getting into..or maybe they wouldn't have, after hearing, WAAAAALLLTTTTTT and "My Boy" ever since that plane crashed.

I'm thinking if he does get shot (and I'm kind of hoping he does) it'll either be Jack or Walt that does it. Jack to bring out just how he's at his last threads..and to bring out something else I've been speculating about or Walt, because it would be interesting to see Walt go evil..but who really deserves to do the deed..Hurley, but I'm not sure that would happen, at least you can kind of see it with Jack and it would tie into that other thing I've been thinking of *coughemptycoffincough*

Is it wrong that I'm more pissed he lied than that he shot two people??

halfdutch
May. 22nd, 2006 07:32 pm (UTC)
I'm going to be really, really pissed if they just shrug this off.

And in the latest promo, Jack is up in the face, so the cat's out of the bag but we don't know if they find out he's the one who shot Ana & Libby or if anything's happened to the rest of them yet.

I'd like to see Walt or Hurley take out Michael! Either would be good! And since killing off Ana & Libby was a last-minute addition to the story (no matter what they say about it), I can see where people would shrug it off as just a housecleaning. What happens from here on out, though, that does matter since it involves the original characters. That's my take on it, anyway.
inthekeyofd
May. 22nd, 2006 07:40 pm (UTC)
I think that Jack knows now it's a trap, and that Michael set it up, and if Jack uses that brain he'll know that he was the one that shot Libby and Ana.

And wouldn't it be total justice and a great twist if it was Walt, the person he did all this for, that shoots him. I totally agree, I can see that they kind of had to get rid of Libby and Ana quickly, but this time, it's that core crew and it does matter, there has to be something that happens to him, because that was just too big a thing to just let go, I mean, after the torture of Sawyer for the total mistake of them thinking he took the medicine, for Michael to get off for that would be ludicrous, no matter what his reasons are.

And if I have to hear one more time, "they took my boy" I swear I'd take him out myself. *smile*
mediocrechick
May. 22nd, 2006 07:21 pm (UTC)
For the question: "What punishment should there be for Michael?", I only choose exile because I think all the other castaways have too much a "conscience" to kill anything now. Maybe Hurley will get mad enough to shoot the bastard but more likely it's not going to happen. Damn writers!
halfdutch
May. 22nd, 2006 07:29 pm (UTC)
Oh, I guess I meant death to include accidental death, death by Others or suicide, not just an execution at the hands of Jack & Co.

I could see Hurley or Walt pulling the trigger, though. Although wouldn't siccing Sayid & Eko on him be good?
mediocrechick
May. 22nd, 2006 07:47 pm (UTC)
OK, that would be hilarious if Walt killed Michael. Seriously. I would laugh my ass off if that happened. After all the shit Michael went through to try to get him back, Walt kills him in the end? Come on! I can't believe I would be the only one laughing.....

Accidental death and suicide would be too much a copout. If that happens, I swear I'll throw my TV set out the window. Death by Others wouldn't be too bad but still somewhat of a copout also. I don't think Sayid would do anything unless he had no time to think about it. I mean, he didn't do anything to Ana Lucia and he felt so "guilty" about what he did to Sawyer, he left the camp. And Eko? As scary as he could be, I don't think he would do anything either. He's become the religious man of the hour and isn't killing someone like against God's law? I read that somewhere......

I guess we'll see how it goes down on Wednesday. It better be damn good!
arabella_hope
May. 22nd, 2006 07:28 pm (UTC)
Um...I'm not okay with it being 'Ooo, he killed someone, must die' because so did half the other castaways. Maybe it wasn't ON the island, and maybe it wasn't as unwarrented as him killing Ana (Libby was purely accidental, in all [unfortunate] honesty), but he's not the only murderer among them. We don't really know yet if his concience will get the better of him BEFORE they get to the Other's camp...perhaps he has another ace up his sleeve, it will be unclear until Wed.

At any rate, I think the torture of murder on one's soul is a much more fitting punishment than death. My opinion could very well change, however, depending upon the finale. I could be a Michael-hater on day too!

(also, I only picked shunning because I don't think exhile would be a strong enough reaction, and I doubt the castaways will simply kill him. And no punishment...well, there's GOT to be something)
halfdutch
May. 22nd, 2006 07:36 pm (UTC)
Yes, but they live in a closed community where he can't run or hide like back in the real world. And half the murders committed by the Lostaways aren't known to anyone but the murderer themselves, so there can't be any consequences other than their own guilty consciences. So to me, Michael's murders and any pre-island murders are entirely different and can't just be written off or backburnered.

Plus, the whole betrayal angle -- these people all need each other to survive and he's always just been out for himself and Walt this whole time. So I don't think Michael's changed at all, just what's at stake when he chooses Walt and himself over everyone else.

I don't see them starting a firing squad but they have to do something Michael -- refuse to feed him at the very list or give him the option to commit suicide or something. Sorry, I guess I'm pretty hardline about punishment, LOL!
halfdutch
May. 22nd, 2006 07:37 pm (UTC)
*very least*

Oops - better go back to bed. Foggy head!
arabella_hope
May. 22nd, 2006 07:47 pm (UTC)
I say he gets 'the room' ;)

Sounds rather creepy.
alliecat8
May. 22nd, 2006 07:38 pm (UTC)
Your poll has made me realize just how very bloodthirsty I am. I judged Michael, harshly and absolutely, after he shot Ana and Libby, but now that he's leading Jack and Hurley and Kate (yeah yeah, who am I fooling) SAWYER into God-knows-what kind of danger, all I can think about is wanting to see him die horribly. And not accidentally. I want him to be judged and executed. Maybe by Walt, heh, that'd teach Daddy Dearest, wouldn't it? Um, I'm scaring myself a little, so I'll shut up now.
halfdutch
May. 22nd, 2006 07:41 pm (UTC)
LOL! Right there with you! ;-) We can be bloodthirsty together!
inthekeyofd
May. 22nd, 2006 07:47 pm (UTC)
I'm still bitter about how they (Sayid) tortured Sawyer for no reason and basically nothing happened to him either..and now, with what Michael is doing, I don't see that as being bloodthirsty, eventually someone will have to pay for something they do..killing two people, blaming someone else for it, and leading 4 others to what could be their deaths, not to mention leaving the rest of the castaways totally vulnerable to attack..that deserves harsh punishment, and personally, I think that they will have Jack do it, or just about to do it..only because his rope has been getting so stretched that would be the capper.

But in a stunning turn, Walt (who really bad things do happen around) is the one that does it..because he's the reason why they went out there, so he should be the one that really turns on him. And really, I'm more upset that he totally is leading them to danger than he shot two people, so how bad am I??

But I'm still thinking that other thing we were talking about is going to come into play, either that or Walt doing the deed would be a great end to the season.

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halfdutch
May. 23rd, 2006 06:18 am (UTC)
LOL. Agreed ;) I'm no Michael fan. I am a fan of Harold, though, and I wonder why he ever signed on. Michael is easily the least interesting character he's ever played. This going dark thing is a pretty good twist, but it's got a built-in shelf life. If it's not leading up to his death, I will not be happy!
ficangel
May. 22nd, 2006 08:03 pm (UTC)
Exile. At the very least. If they can't guarantee that exile will stop him from being a threat, then they need to bite the bullet and kill him. He's putting forty lives at risk and has no inkling of why that's wrong. Sawyer, Sayid...even Kate, whom I don't like even a little bit, all realize that what they are or were doing is wrong and that it's time to knock that shit off. All three have backslid to a certain degree, but they can still be more or less trusted to live in a society with other people. Michael can't.

And I agree with the above poster. If the big finale twist is that Walt kills Michael, I will scream and flail and declare it to be the best two hours of television ever.
halfdutch
May. 23rd, 2006 06:17 am (UTC)
YES!

You summed up my position perfectly. They cannot trust Michael. He has forfeited his right to live among them. The others, despite whatever they've done, can be trusted to live in society and can contribute without oh, sacrificing everybody for one person. (Well, OK, maybe not Locke so much.)

And if Walt kills Michael, I just might have to forgive them for this whole fucked-up season. That would be too damn awesome for words.
ellel
May. 22nd, 2006 08:19 pm (UTC)
I don't want him dead or of the show,I want Mikey to join the Udders,b/c that can make an excellent storyline:)

What's the worst thing Michael has done?
That is the hardest question to answer-he took 2 lives and showed no regret whatsoever.He has other choices,but being as troubled as he is right now,he can't see them.
I won't lie,but personally I feel bad only for Libby.But that was her karma,to be in wrong place at the wrong time.Ana deserved to die,maybe not killed by him,but still...Most possible,they'll write it off and blame it on "father will do anything for his son",which is a bullshit excuse.

Betrayal is worse than murder in his case.Right now,he is leading 4 of his,lets call them friends into a trap,knowing what Udders are capable of-among them,a man who saved his life and another naive and caring man,who was willing to help and even went searching for him,after the "accident" in "Hunting party".VERY bad.
Right now,I'm grateful for Sayid,who is the only one using his brain.
halfdutch
May. 23rd, 2006 06:21 am (UTC)
I would prefer to see Michael gone. I haven't missed him or Walt for a single second. And, frankly, the less we see of The Others, the better. The more we see of them, the less scary they get. Of course, who knows what's going to happen in the finale? Of course, if The Others get revenge on Michael for not bringing the 4 people on the list, I wouldn't have any problem with that!

And thank God for Sayid, definitely. He can see right through him. Jack is just too trusting. *sighs*

ellel
May. 23rd, 2006 05:31 pm (UTC)
Of course,if The Others get revenge on Michael for not bringing the 4 people on the list,I wouldn't have any problem with that!
I hear you.
Honestly?I haven't missed him or Walt,but I love Harold-I don't want him to go.Though,IMO he is the next on goners list.
I'm interested to find out who the Others are and WTF they want with Jack,Kate,Sawyer and Hurley.Mad scientists freak me out,and I believe thats what they are.
foxxcub
May. 22nd, 2006 08:28 pm (UTC)
LOL, I put you up to this, didn't I? ;)
halfdutch
May. 23rd, 2006 06:23 am (UTC)
LOL. I was like, 'Damn, surely I'm not the only one who wants Michel to meet with swift, brutal justice!*
rawkin_ur_sox
May. 22nd, 2006 09:10 pm (UTC)
ZOMGLOL

Was going to reply all long & such, explaining why I think Mike should die a slow painful death or even get eaten by the island bears, but I can't stop freaking laughing.

Walt killing Michael = genius.
halfdutch
May. 23rd, 2006 06:24 am (UTC)
I would be thrilled to pieces if that happened! :-)
isis2015
May. 22nd, 2006 09:54 pm (UTC)
What's the worst thing Michael has done?

Interesting question. My vote went to 'cold blooded murder'. I didn't like Ana Lucia. I liked Libby not I didn't love her, so I wasn't terribly upset. But the fact of the matter is, who I like and who I don't like doesn't matter. What matters is that Michael killed two innocent people (okay, one innocent person and one semi-innocent person). Betrayal is a horrible thing, but I'm pretty sure Kate and Hurley and Jack and Sawyer will be alive at the end of the season.

I do however, find it interesting that, according to Dante's Inferno, the deepest circle of hell is reserved for those who betray...Something to think about.
halfdutch
May. 23rd, 2006 06:27 am (UTC)
Very good points! You know, somehow I got away with never reading The Inferno! But Michael is headed to that deepest circle of hell, no question.

I don't doubt that our fave characters will still be alive, but for all Michael knows, he's handing them all over to be killed. So he's on the hook for that, as well. I can't believe anyone could possibly be on his side about this!

You're so right it doesn't matter who Michael killed. Because I'm thrilled they're both gone but that doesn't affect the fact that he needs to pay for what he did. And if he's gone too, then the show will be that much better. Trading Michael for Eko? Finally, the cast might be where it needs to be!
isis2015
May. 23rd, 2006 01:07 pm (UTC)
I know. I was thinking the other day about how they went from being excited about adding the new characters and they had to get right back to where they were before (they can keep Eko though, I don't mind him) for the show to be pretty good again. I hope they take the hint.
assassinofjoy
May. 23rd, 2006 12:36 am (UTC)
Wow ... I'm a little surprised by all the Michael hatred here (ok, not really), and I agree with some of it to a point. He was interesting and sympathetic in the beginning ... I don't like how they stretched the Walt storyline (it made him boring and grating as hell), but killed Ana Lucia and Libby definitely gives him an edge, even if it takes away like for the character. I hated Al almost from the getgo and while I wasn't too hot on Libby, I did like her and was honestly shocked when she died too. I think it made more of an impression because her death was clearly more accidental, and the way Michael battled his guilt along with the fear of being found out? Awesome. As for which I'd prefer, Michael dying instead of facing what he's done, or living and getting away with it? I'd want him to live, but I hope to see reprecussions of his actions. Whatever his motivations, dude's knee-deep in shit, and he's gonna have to grab a shovel sooner or later. Hopefully sooner, but with this damn show ... *shrugs, knocks on wood*
halfdutch
May. 23rd, 2006 06:30 am (UTC)
Eh. I've never liked Michael, except when he had a storyline independent from just being Walt's crappy dad, when he was building the raft.

I've never found his storyline remotely interesting so there's zero residual sympathy on my end now that he's killing people and ready to betray more of his friends. (Even though I didn't give a rat's ass about Ana Lucia & Libby, doesn't affect how I feel about what he did.)

From an appreciating the actor standpoint, yes, it's good that Harold's finally getting a meaty plotline. But the end has to be him paying severely for his actions. They can't keep dragging this out can they? (Heh, I thought that about the custody battles too. And Locke's Daddy issues. Guess they never found a well they didn't want to go back to several times.)

I do hope Harold leaves the show because he deserves a better gig. This has to be the least satisfying part he's had in years. :-/

lunadatura
May. 23rd, 2006 01:41 am (UTC)
My reaction to this is sort of complex, due to the fact that season 2 is wavering dangerously close to a Lifetime Original Movie of the Week about men and their daddy issues. Call it the Three Faces of Michael.

I really, really liked Michael in Season 1. He was complex, identifiable, human, well-acted -- all that good stuff. The show is stuffed with father/son relationships, but I think that the Walt/Michael thing was one of the most believable and moving. The kidnapping on the raft really killed me. However, between the first season's finale and the second season's premiere, it seems that Harold Perrineau had some kind of stroke, which made him incapable of remembering anything outside of the two lines ("they took my boy!" and "WWWWAAAAAALLLLTTTT!") that his coaches had drilled into him phonetically. THAT guy, I have no use for.

However, now that he's a murderous fruit loop... call me sick, but I'm interested. At least he's widening his range.
halfdutch
May. 23rd, 2006 06:38 am (UTC)
I have both feet firmly planted in the "never liked him, still don't camp." I liked him very briefly when he had something to do besides whine about Walt (in bulding the raft) and the kidnapping of Walt was devastating. But yeah, S2 Michael has been nothing but a giant, selfish ass. The way he turned on Sawyer was ugly -- and a little preview of his actions now. He's always been capable of that kind of betrayal, whereas Sawyer, despite his many faults, is at least loyal and has some kind of honor.

I don't know why they write the parents on the show as so whiny and one-note. It's such a waste of Harold's talents! :-/ So, for his sake, I think he's better off if he leaves the show and gets a role that's better suited for him. I've never understood what made him agree to be on the show, frankly. They've finally given him something interesting to do, but it pretty much has to end with his death, doesn't it? I don't think it would be dramatically satisfying if it didn't. Locke's still alive, though, so I could be wrong. And consequences for one's actions aren't usually on the agenda for this show. >:-( But if they let this slide .... *shakes fist threateningly*

So in conclusion: Yay, Harold; Boo, Michael!

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