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Spec from new Lost promo

Spec about the promo and mild S3 spoiler about the OT3 that's already been pretty widely discussed, I think.



Well, OK, a little more squeeing!

Jack demanding to know where his friends are. YAY. Finally someone refers to Sawyer as his friend. Because can you see that rat bastard Michael having said that to the Tailies? No sir.

xphile101 has pointed out in THIS CAP that it looks like Jack isn't chained, just holding onto the chain. *pouts* But ... even if his wrists aren't chained, his ankle(s) could be. Because why have a chain if you're not chaining someone to it! You can't tease us like that, Lost! Ahem. I just care about the practicality of it. *clears throat*

As far as the kiss, I'm thinking that either it's a dream OR The Others are toying with Sawyer and Kate by letting them almost escape, and then recapturing them. Same with Jack and the Watery Door of Doom -- it's like a game, letting him get free of his chains but there really is no way out. Of course, there's nothing saying that the clips in the promo are in chronological order, but I can't see them getting free that easily and that soon!

WHY is Kate crying so hard? :-/ A few weeks ago, there was that comment from the prods that "Kate finally makes her choice" and it seemed to be that she doesn't choose Sawyer ... but yet, there's also word that Jack is getting a new love interest, so either she chooses him and he doesn't choose her or she doesn't choose either of them. I don't see what's in it for The Others to make her choose between them, besides it being a cruel game or trying to turn them against each other. What would The Others care about who ends up with whom? I don't think it can be a choice between who lives and dies -- she's probably just crying because they're being split up. Or she's being forced to marry Henry! (j/k)

Obviously, They know nearly all there is to know about our castaways, even more than they know about each other. (And yes, I think S3 will be about how they don't really know each other at all.) Does Jack even know Sawyer's real name? Up for debate! So they're here to break them or study them and their reactions to different situations like lab rats.

It's been suggested, long ago, that the whole island is a Skinner Box. Has everything that's happened so far been a test? Have they been watching them this whole time? Were they all brought there for a reason? Hand picked, maybe? How do They know so much about them? And are these Others Dharma or something more sinister?

Oh, and as for the non-OT3 bits ... Sayid to the rescue? ;)


No spoilers other than what we saw in the promo, please!!

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foxxcub
Sep. 21st, 2006 08:08 pm (UTC)
I'll flail incoherently instead, because this just makes my brain hurt. :P

AIM tonight?
halfdutch
Sep. 21st, 2006 08:09 pm (UTC)
Hee! I'm longwinded this week. *blushes*

AIM tonight?
Yes! ;)

alliecat8
Sep. 21st, 2006 08:30 pm (UTC)
My best guess about Kate's choice, based on nothing but my own gut feeling, is that she picks Jack (and if the kiss is real, it's a goodbye kiss), but Jack chooses someone/something else over her...leaving her and Sawyer together, but not together. That would keep the romantic tension in the story and leave open the possibility of her ending up with either one of them by the series' end.

it's like a game, letting him get free of his chains but there really is no way out.

I know you didn't read Prophecy because you were worried about overlapping with your own captivity fic, so I'll tell you just this one part: that's what I had the Others do to Jack -- they let him escape, again and again, only to find that escape meant certain death. Then they rescued him each time. They were trying to teach him that They, not him, were in total control, and that to stay alive, he had to relinquish his need to be in control. Could that really be what they're up to, I wonder?

Does your brain hurt as much as mine does? ;)
halfdutch
Sep. 21st, 2006 08:37 pm (UTC)
Ooh, I like your idea about controlled escapes a lot. (And damn, I just want my fic done and out of the way - gah - and then I can get caught up.)

They really are toying with all of them. I still don't see what stake the Others would have in their various romantic entanglements, except as it gives them leverage over their captives. I'm wondering if that person Jack is shoving aside (pulling with him?) isn't the new chick already. Even though I like that actress, I'm still not very gung-ho about new love interests. :-/ I love the triangle, thank you!

And yes, my brain hurts a little. The Others knowing so much about them is just so damn creepy and you have to wonder how far back that goes. Because if it's revealed why they're on the island at all (both Them and the castaways) then what's left to reveal, besides how they'll survive and how'll they ever get home? They've planned for at least five seasons, I know, and this is three. At the show's pace, they might only end up being there six months in that time. GAH!
isis2015
Sep. 21st, 2006 09:50 pm (UTC)
Jack demanding to know where his friends are. YAY. Finally someone refers to Sawyer as his friend. Because can you see that rat bastard Michael having said that to the Tailies? No sir.

I think that was my favorite part of the whole damn thing. Because from what we've learned about Jack and his character, when he's pissed off he says what's in his head, what he really feels. He didn't as where Kate and Sawyer were, he asked where his friends were. Plural. And that makes me very happy. 'Cause I'm a dork.

Jack's not chained to the ceiling? :/ Well poop.

As far as the kiss, I'm thinking that either it's a dream

I'm going with that. 'Cause it looks like kinda...soft. I don't know if that makes any sense or it's the quality of the promo but the way it's shot makes it look like a dream to me. And I think Kate's crying because they're seperated. Maybe Kate had the dream before she saw Sawyer and seeing him like that makes her really sad. :/ I'm not sure.

Oh, and as for the non-OT3 bits ... Sayid to the rescue? ;)

It looks to me like Sayid, Sun, and Jin are going to try to rescue them. 'Cause Sun was climbing across the roof getting shot at (which I won't even touch right now because it will just lead the threatening uses of the capslock ;D) and Jin has a gun.
halfdutch
Sep. 22nd, 2006 01:14 am (UTC)
*squeee* I love me some loyal Jack. I'll take the kiss real or not, but at least the kisses on Lost tend to be real, even if other stuff isn't.

And yay, a new super trio! ;) Go, Sayid, Sun & Jin!
crystalkirk
Sep. 21st, 2006 11:04 pm (UTC)
*tries desperately not to get excited about new season*

*fails horribly*

I've really tried to step back and just wait to let it happen, hoping I wouldn't be setting myself up for a fall. But dammit, I'm interested again so it had DAMN WELL better be good.

Or there will be words.

Harsh words. Heh. ;)
halfdutch
Sep. 22nd, 2006 01:12 am (UTC)
WHEEEE! Right there with you. Let's hope they can keep the harshness at bay. ;)

*pulls out threatening Jack icon, just in case*
crystalkirk
Sep. 22nd, 2006 01:30 am (UTC)
Yes! Threatening!Jack will totally kick their asses if they fuck it up even worse. ;)
halfdutch
Sep. 22nd, 2006 02:54 am (UTC)
Yes! Even though they took his gun, they have to reckon with the pout of doom! ;)
gottalovev
Sep. 21st, 2006 11:28 pm (UTC)
evidently, I think, what we've seen in this is not just episode one, must be about the whole 6 episode arc, if they are deep enough in filming. speculating of course, but there is LOTS of stuff in there. I agree with you that it could be out of order. so the "escape" or the kiss (or non kiss! who knows with them!) may just be at the end of it as a cliffhanger or in the final episode.

this thought just made me pout. will I survive another 90 days hiatus???

*pulls hair out* come already, october 4th!
halfdutch
Sep. 22nd, 2006 01:06 am (UTC)
I think it might be footage from lots of different episodes too. But I don't think that's the final escape we've been shown - why would they blow it like that? Lost likes to hang onto its key scenes so I suspect that they're not going anywhere just yet.

And I'll worry about the hiatus when it gets here! I'm too busy anticipating Oct. 4th right now!
deej240z
Sep. 21st, 2006 11:32 pm (UTC)
Jack demanding to know where his friends are.
He was upset and wasn't thinking straight. ;o)

As far as the kiss, I'm thinking that either it's a dream OR The Others are toying ...
You're raining on my parade! Lol. Why is is inconceivable that Kate falls for someone and that's that. Sawyer and Kate sell tickets (so to speak). They're hot tv. It's been building up to this since the middle of S1. This is one time I think things are going to be cut and dried. :o) The big puzzle of the story is going to be what the hell the others are *really up to. And we don't see any of *that in the promos. *That's what they're keeping people guessing with. ;-)
halfdutch
Sep. 22nd, 2006 12:58 am (UTC)

I would love for that to be a real kiss! Look at my icon! You know I love me some Skate!

But since it looks like they're free when it happens, I'm trying to work out when and how they could happen. And maybe it can't, just yet. That's my only red flag that it might not be real. And maybe I've been burned by the X-Files too much, LOL. The deaths on Lost might be real, but the kisses usually are, at least! I suspect they won't be allowed to escape so easily (assuming that that's footage from the first ep or two) so that would mean that they're going to get captured again and their "escaping" is possibly all part of the plan. Maybe the kiss happens before she's led past a caged Sawyer in tears, maybe not .... *ponders*

And I would love for Kate to choose Sawyer, but they've put it out there since day one that she's ultimately meant for Jack. I don't know if they're going to keep to that since they keep changing their minds about things. I'm happy for any Skate moments i get in the meantime. I just never wanted her to "settle" for Sawyer.
deej240z
Sep. 22nd, 2006 02:01 am (UTC)
I can't even *begin to speculate! All the spoilers are so scattered and out of sequence. Somehow, it looks like both get away either temporarily or permanent. When this happens? Me don't know. What happens inbetween? Me don't know. I'm thinking that crying Kate at Sawyer's cell is because she thinks she'll never see him again (for whatever reason). I just can't come up with anything logical. *pouts

but they've put it out there since day one that she's ultimately meant for Jack
I've heard this again and again and I've never bought into it. I think at first they were going to try it. It just never came across on screen as something that has any punch to it, imo. And look at how horribly Kate was written in S2 when she was around Jack. Wimpy, wishy washy, hungry for approval. Was that on purpose or not? So that was going to be the "ultimate couple?" I firmly believe the producers saw it wasn't such a spectatular combo a long time ago and gradually started to turn things around and point to Sawyer. In many articles since S1, I've read countless times the producers saying nothing was cut in stone. Some things that they were going to work with were going to be things that came about organically. And I firmly believe the Sawyer/Kate chemistry was one of those things that threw them off their original track.

I am, however, being cautiously optomistic about S/K being the "choice." They've burned me before. ;o)


halfdutch
Sep. 22nd, 2006 02:17 am (UTC)
icon love!!! *molests*

Josh Holloway is just the most gorgeous man on the planet. Possibly of all time.

And I think that Kate crying over never seeing Sawyer again is an entirely plausible interpretation of that scene. I know I'd be crying damn hard if I were her!

Sawyer and Kate just have so much chemistry together, it's insane. I like Jack and Kate in theory, but something about it gets so ... dull. I get a little thrill out of the shower scene, mostly because Jack got so incredibly, cutely tongue-tied, and I would love to see that man happy, one of these days. But Sawyer and Kate is just 1000 times hotter. They've announced things before and then changed their minds, like Ana was meant for Jack and that obviously didn't pan out at all. Well, nothing about her panned out, except turning Michael evil and even that wasn't very satisfying, just more of a "let's clean up this mess as best we can."

Planned romances aside, TV laws just dictate that no couple can stay together happily for any length of time, so if Sawyer and Kate get together now then they will have to be separated or broken up somehow. I'm all for bursts of passion for Sawyer and Kate when we can get them. There's no other couple on the show that does it for me like they do. (I could get behind Desmond/Penny, but that's not really sex on a stick, like Skate, is it?)

deej240z
Sep. 22nd, 2006 02:34 am (UTC)
icon love!!! *molests*
He so purdy, no?!

Yes. S/K=hawt. J/K=dull. Although I'm sure there is a character out there that will/can work well with Jack. I just don't see it as Kate. I don't know how they ever thought a character (performed the way she was) like Ana would work with Jack. Boggles my mind. Hee.

TV laws just dictate that no couple can stay together happily for any length of time,

Eww, don't remind me. My only experience with "couple" fandom was X Files. And M/S were together to the bitter end. *sigh And *no* triangles, quadrangles, yadda yadda yadda.

And, yeah, the Des/Pen thing doesn't do it for me either. I hate the idea of Penny in the first place (if she turns out to in fact be the embodyment of "the outside world.") Totally shoots down the chilling idea that our castaways are totally isolated in their own world. And Des I find as appealing as a wet noodle.
halfdutch
Sep. 22nd, 2006 06:24 am (UTC)
Oh, I liked Desmond, which surprised me really. Suddenly, he got kind of hot, heh. He sure wasn't in the S2 premiere! In the meantime, he played a sexy spy on 24, so that helped me go, "Hmmm."

I'm not in love with the whole "everything is connected" stuff. In fact, it bugs the living crap out of me most of the time. Claire is Jack's half sister. Locke's dad is the real Mr. Sawyer. Eko ends up on the same island where his brother died. *rolls eyes* It's just ... annoying! That first connection was so damned amazing (Sawyer and Christian, leading to THE SCENE.) Everything after that is just useless. I can accept almost everything that's happened on the island, but all this pre-island connection stuff is just dumb, frankly. What's the payoff going to be? It's like how the numbers always turn up. Who cares anymore? *end of rant*

And X-Files kept having them almost get together but not quite. I stopped watching long before the whole baby thing happened, so *meh.* I wasn't really invested in having them be a couple.

I don't know who would work with Jack. Possibly the new girl, because I do really like that actress. Sarah, I have liked in moments, like during the hospital miracle scene. But she obviously never really loved him and I think we've seen entirely too much of her already.
deej240z
Sep. 22nd, 2006 10:49 pm (UTC)
I'm sorta waffeling on the connections stuff. I like the Sawyer/Christian/Jack. And the Sawyer/Boone police station stuff. Or Hurley/Libby in the same nut house, but this Jack and Claire are siblings or Locke!Daddy is Real!Sawyer is too in your face for me. It's nice as a flavoring to spice the uneasy feeling that they are all together for a reason, but I like it better when it's not hitting you over the head like having Locke!Daddy be Real!Sawyer. Yuck.

Well, with XF, it was the 'ol "journey" is better than the resolution. It was more fun that way. And yeah, I hated the baby plot. That was the jump the shark moment. Urgh.

Ditto with the Sarah stuff. I just don't care about that fb plot. Enough already. We get the point they didn't work out. It just seems to go on and on and on. So something else with Jack. It's gotten soooo soap opera, imo.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see about the new chick. See if she lights any fires.
inthekeyofd
Sep. 21st, 2006 11:43 pm (UTC)
Do you have any idea how much I'm totally loving all the speculation, I'm just going to sit back and watch, actually I will totally be joining in, I really just want to let it all sink in.

I thought Jack was just holding onto the chain, not hung from it. That kiss, maybe it's just a dream sequence or something, who knows, and I think they were brought there for a reason, I mean to the others I think part of it is to see how those three would handle being on thier own, separated and I think they want to see how the other survivors act as well.
halfdutch
Sep. 22nd, 2006 01:04 am (UTC)
Damn, I'm pretty excited! It all looks so damn good. GAH! And I do wonder if it's all been an experiment, from the start. As long as there's kissing and chains and angst and the pretty, that goes a long way toward making me happy!
xphile101
Sep. 22nd, 2006 02:51 am (UTC)
WHY is Kate crying so hard?

I see your options and raise you a "because they're torturing her!" ;) I'm anticipating an interrogation scene for each of our three captives (in the promo we saw the "We know who you are, Jack Shephard" bit, so I'm thinking they're trying to get them to open up or do something and that's the way they go about it.

I would really, really like to see the Others beat up Jack - not because I hate Jack or anything (in fact, I love him!) but because they beat up Henry, so why not beat up Jack in retaliation? Plus, when Kate finally sees him and he's all bloody... mmm, angst.

As for the Sawyer/Kate kiss, I think it's just him kissing her. I kind of assume that, one, if it is him that she chooses, she'd be doing the kissing, and two, if it's such a big deal who she picks, it wouldn't be in the freaking promo. *g*

I cannot WAIT for these next 13 days to pass.
halfdutch
Sep. 22nd, 2006 02:58 am (UTC)
Ah, I meant why is she crying so hard as she walks past Sawyer? That seems specific to Sawyer, like it's the last time she'll ever see him. And I do think they'll be trying to break them down individually. I'm just so excited because it was beginning to sound like they were all being held separately and not even allowed to see each other so any interaction is making me squee. (Maybe they leak those little spoilers in a certain order on purpose - gah. I'm a wreck!)

And well, being a big hurt/comfort fan, yes, they can beat Jack up some. As long as he gets comforted by someone. Which is probably gonna be the new chick. *sigh* $50!

That could be a goodbye kiss, a good luck kiss, or just a "let's hope we come out of this alive kiss." We'll see. I can't believe anyone would be unwilling to kiss Sawyer. ;)
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halfdutch
Sep. 22nd, 2006 08:59 pm (UTC)
Oooh yes. The pretty is on excellent display lately!
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