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Lost: Every Man For Himself


Much, much flailing over Sawyer. What Josh can do with just his eyes -- my god. When he tells Kate to leave him behind. When he walks away from Cassidy. GAH! *is broken in little pieces*

For once, the backstory fit with what was going on on the island -- and was also interesting! So we know that Sawyer will do things he's not proud of to survive. Which we already knew but I think the two stories dovetailed nicely.

I kind of yelped when we saw Sawyer was in jail. And with the shirtless, sweaty boxing!!! Oh my, that can't be ficced enough! The crossover potential is huge!

I'd heard a really long time ago that Sawyer had a daughter. I'm a little surprised it was with Cassidy, since she didn't seem the type to keep an unwanted child but hey, maybe she did love Sawyer after all? Yes, it's cliched and I'm sure there's going to be a lot of woobie fic about Sawyer meeting up with his daughter now. The fact that he did do something for his daughter (And yeah, Clementine? The fuck? Cassidy just see "Eternal Sunshine...?") means to me that he does care and that even though he will say he doesn't, his actions tell a different story.

Becuse, yes, I was very disappointed that when Kate asked, "What about Jack?" Sawyer did not immediately suggest finding him. :-/ Because it's canon that even if he doesn't looooove Jack, he desperately needs his approval. Jack's important to him! And he does have loyalty. So I'm fanwanking that that was just him talking tough, and that he does care. When he saw Jack, he was yelling as much as Kate.

And when Jack heard Sawyer screaming -- just the expression on his face killed me. He was crushed. And what would he have done if that was Sawyer's blood on Juliet? Because I love it when Jack gets his angry on and for it to be over Sawyer ...!

The whole "what they did to Sawyer and why" doesn't completely add up. Why did they need to give him a shot of adrenaline to the heart? (If that actually did do that.) That's if your heart has stopped beating. And you could administer it through the arm too, right? (That would be the Trainspotting method, vs. the Pulp Fiction one.) So that doesn't really make sense. I did not think there was a pacemaker. There'd be more surgery involved and a hella bigga wound!

The "do you love him" didn't actually make much sense either. If you have an enemy and you want to hurt them by hurting someone they love because you've just lost a loved one, then getting Kate to admit she loves Sawyer should have caused more abuse instead of stopping it. And he could have just beat the hell out of Sawyer without demanding to know if she loved him. I can't really see the point there. Seems completely counterintuitive. Do I believe Kate really does love Sawyer? Yes, a little. Did she have to tell him that she lied? No. :-/ But of course she cares -- she had just finished freaking out about how he was acting and that was a great line she had, that she was more scared by that than anything else so far. Because getting Sawyer to not fight back is scary. Did she realize he was trying to protect her? I guess the question is does he love her? A little, I think, but not completely. And she cares because she did not leave him behind.

I didn't doubt that Jack would work to save Colleen. I loved, loved that he basically told Juliet "Fuck you," when she asked if he was just trying to make her feel better. Go, Jack! She was at least more interesting this episode and I think that's because she had a lot more to do than smirk and talk very slowly. And fertility doctor, eh? Man, this show isn't all about bunnies: (although they are plentiful!) It's about babies!

And I haven't even mentioned Desmond yet! Here I thought we were getting pointless filler (but with gorgeous eye candy, how does that man get hotter and hotter by the minute?) but he was actually up to something. Now Paolo. That was completely pointless. And, apparently, he's a giant ass. And sorry, buddy, but next to Desmond you might as well be Hurley in the hotness department. Desmond just eclipses everyone. And that charmer. "I'm Scottish." Of course you are. ;)

And he saved Claire and Aaron's lives. dammit! I was joking that Charlie's going to have to drop the Catholicism and worship Desmond now. :) And everyone is going to have to get in line to get at the Desmond love.

In conclusion: there's two islands! (So the "this is OUR island" thing is a bit of a lie, eh?) And Benry, I think the key to gaining Sawyer's respect is not a con; the quoting literature thing seems a little better approach. And why do they need Sawyer's respect anyway?

All in all, I was so blinded by Sawyer/Josh love that even the things that didn't add up were just "OH WELL" and then reaching through the TV to hug and rock Sawyer.

(I have to say though, that shouldn't they all be more freaked out that Jack, Kate and Sawyer have been kidnapped? I hate how the splintering of the cast means that people ignore what's going on in the other storylines, because I fail to believe that everyone would just be dinking around as usual with a crisis on their hands. Sure, they're leaderless now but STILL. Looking forward to the eventual escape/rescue, whenever, however that happens.

And, of course, for Jack and Sawyer to be reunited. I would have loved to have him brought in to see to Sawyer's injures, though. :-( Poor Sawyer had to mop himself up after that last beating.

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inthekeyofd
Oct. 26th, 2006 05:28 pm (UTC)
See that whole shot thing, I've been talking about that, one, if his heart is beating I'm pretty sure it would have killed him, and secondly, I think it was a little off when they showed where the bandage was.

But YES YES YES, Sawyer in Prison, Sawyer boxing, Sawyer with the pirate hair so we can actually SEE HOW HANDSOME HE IS.

I'm still wondering how no one,not the tailies or anyone else in their travels saw that other island.

But still SAWYER!!!!!

And yet the Jack in this one is eating my brain, seriously, he is so playing them as much as they are playing him, he's got to have their number, no one learns to play poker in Phuket AND LIVES without learning the bluff.

For me the most telling was the "con a con man" line because even with him talking to Sawyer I think that said more about Jack, they are conning him, but at the same time, he's pulling a reverse--sitting in the corner, obeying them, but then, he shows his hand and tells Juliet (who I still say she may be a little reluctant in all of this but still can't be trusted) off.

Ben obviously wants them to bond..conveniently coming in and saying he needed Juliet and leaving those x-rays there, leaving him in that room so Jack could have more time with Juliet (not the corpse)..he knows Jack can't resist that, but unlike with Boone, or even the other tailies that died, Jack sort of walked away this time.

And the crash cart, for people in such contact with the mainland and with such and elaborate set up, you'd think they'd have one that worked..but that was part of the bonus plan, I think the x-rays are the bigger one, but they got lucky with what happened with Colleen.

Jack may be getting conned, but he's doing a really good job at conning them as well, a lyric fits perfectly here..

"never underestimate the underestimated"

Jack is underestimated and I think it might come back to bite them.

Even though I think something is going to happen and he'll run off with Juliet.

So I liked this epi, I don't think that Cassidy is running a con on him, I think it is his baby..but has it changed him, with the exception of the money, no.

I want to know when exactly did Paolo become the owner of the golf clubs, and no one gives Desmond 'tude!! Who by the way should have to wear that shirt all the time, because Desmond in blue is HOT.



And also, Desmond in Jail, Jack in Jail, Sawyer in Jail, Kate had to have done some time or was at least behind bars...hmmm..sensing a pattern here. *smile*
halfdutch
Oct. 26th, 2006 07:12 pm (UTC)
Ooh, I forgot Desmond had been in jail too! My mind immediately went to Oz! ;) And sadly, Jack was just in a local jail, not a penitentiary! But I could easily see him meeting up with Sawyer being in there for being drunk & disorderly or something!

I think Jack is watching and waiting for his opportunity, same as Kate and Sawyer. I'm curious to see what the Others' endgame is, and whether it actually makes sense. Which it very well may not since what they did to Sawyer last night didn't make much sense, really.

I'm here for the pretty, I admit it!

For now, I'm thinking Cassie was on the level there about the baby. Which shows us that even when Sawyer does care, he won't ever let that person know. Which means I can be perfectly convinced that he stills loves Jack! ;) And Kate too, in his own way, same as Kate. They never say what they really feel.

I've been wondering how extensive the Others' medical set-up was and it was good, just not quite good enough. Handcuffing Jack to the cart with Colleen's body was bizarre. Creepy! Like he needed to be punished for not saving her, when they didn't even bring him in to help in the first place, that was all Juliet! God, i loved him telling her off! I like it when Jack is not so subdued.
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missdarksoul
Oct. 26th, 2006 06:27 pm (UTC)
lmao, ah the poor kid, she didn't have much hope with crims for parents but with that name she is doomed. i felt really proud though cause i started thinking sawyer might have a kid in adrift, lol serouisly though clemintime!

I love how he was yelling Doc when he saw Jack. as for sawyer in jail, my poor friends got many messages that only said' sawyer prison. THE SLASH THE SLASH.

I thought it would of made more sense for pickett to go crazy and beat Jack, i mean he was the one that couldn't save her (not that i think it's jack's fault just that it might be a man who just lost his wives mind set). I guess he might think that if they weren't conning Sawyer they could of saved Collen, but again wouldn't he go after Benry. Maybe I'm just reaching and hoping there is more to this huge grudge he has against Sawyer.

I wanted to hug Sawyer in every scene, except the ones when i wanted to beat up, pickett, benry and kate. Cause serouisly no one comes back from huting sawyer unless it would make a good slash pairing

Damn only is desmond and sawyer were in the same jail, ;)*ignores the impossibilty for the nice mental image*
halfdutch
Oct. 26th, 2006 07:15 pm (UTC)
Awww, poor little Clementine! Maybe she can just go by "Tina."

Neither Jack or Sawyer had anything to do with Colleen's death, but if they're going for tit for tat, I guess that makes a crude kind of sense. Ridiculous to blame Jack when he was clearly working so hard to save her! Especially since they didn't even think to bring him in until it was too late, so they're the ones to blame. And honestly, they're doing a raid and they don't expect anyone to get hurt? Yeah, whose fault is that?

I just wanted to reach for the screen and hug Sawyer, definitely. That must be why they keep having people beat him up. *sighs * Since it's only been 71 days, the poor man would be dead from all the abuse he's suffered!
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ficangel
Oct. 26th, 2006 06:33 pm (UTC)
Yes, it's cliched and I'm sure there's going to be a lot of woobie fic about Sawyer meeting up with his daughter now. The fact that he did do something for his daughter (And yeah, Clementine? The fuck? Cassidy just see "Eternal Sunshine...?") means to me that he does care and that even though he will say he doesn't, his actions tell a different story.

'Kay, I will hide happily from that fiction. Sawyer? Does not show affection in normal ways. He is not going to be happy fluffy-bunny Daddy. Much more fitting and in character that he gives her the money and then never sees her again, because kids freak Sawyer out (ooh, that could make the Con Man scene even richer, if we're meant to take Sawyer's current FBs as running TLC->EMFH->ConMan->Outlaws) and remind him of what he's actually doing beyond his pretty little "they had it coming" justifications.

Because getting Sawyer to not fight back is scary. Did she realize he was trying to protect her? I guess the question is does he love her? A little, I think, but not completely. And she cares because she did not leave him behind.

Absolutely. The girl who runs didn't. I thought that Evie really did a bang-up job with that scene, including wrapping her arms around Sawyer's head and resting her chin on his hair. It was a very protective and self-sacrificial gesture at the same time and, as you mentioned, in the larger context really does make her "I was lying" statement fall to pieces. I don't think that Kate is in love with him, still, but that could just be because I'm not a Skater.

"I'm Scottish." Of course you are. ;)

I love happy!Desmond. He makes me want to dance.

And I haven't even mentioned Desmond yet! Here I thought we were getting pointless filler (but with gorgeous eye candy, how does that man get hotter and hotter by the minute?) but he was actually up to something.

He's our pragmatic (no longer-damnit!) nakey psychic overlord. I thought that it was great that, while everyone else is playing with their mangoes (lookin' at you, Paolo), he's actually getting off his butt and doing something. Granted, that something is less than actually finding the people who are missing, but he saved a baby, and the baby's bland-but-sweet mommy. Charlie was an unfortunate side effect.

And Benry, I think the key to gaining Sawyer's respect is not a con; the quoting literature thing seems a little better approach. And why do they need Sawyer's respect anyway?

I have a feeling that they're going to need Sawyer to run a con. The FB just doesn't add up otherwise. Unless, as some people are saying, Cassidy herself is running a con on Sawyer and that kid's not his at all. I'm still trying to figure out baby timelines. If she was just pregnant, so that she either didn't know or hadn't yet told him, when he ran out on her, then it's concievable that he could have been caught, held the couple of months until a trial, then spent nine months in prison, in order to have a kid that looked about six months old. That picture that Cassidy flashed does look like it came straight from the frame that she bought, but it's TV-land: I'm used to casual photographs looking like headshots, too.



halfdutch
Oct. 26th, 2006 07:06 pm (UTC)
I think that Sawyer having a daughter could be potentially awful and treacly -- and might not fit in so well with what we already know, a risk they run each time they give us a new backstory because I do not think they have them mapped out all that well since whatever has come before has to be refiltered through the new information. How much better would this nugget of information have fit during Adrift than the whole Michael custody battle retread? *sighs*

Because we know Sawyer is capable of loving someone, just not in any kind of direct way. Same with Kate. Her staying spoke volumes. With both of those, it's what they do, not what they say, that matters. I do not believe for a second that Sawyer was willing to abandon Jack and if that's fanwanking, so be it!

I'm guessing Cassie didn't know she was pregnant when she testified against Sawyer and thus she's had a bit of a change of heart. And my sister was just complaining that with the island timeline of 71 days, Aaron should be about a month old, not looking like he's eight months old.

Gah! That stupid timeline of theirs! Everyone would still be in shock/grieving for everyone who's died? Maybe that's why they're so indifferent to the fates of the hatch folk and the captives? Heh. Because that's just very, very sloppy writing, to ignore all of that. *plots to sneak into writers' room and give them several large pieces of my mind*

Happy!Desmond is a thing of beauty. Paolo is competely pointless. Presumably they're bringing him along slowly so when his major storyline (whatever it is) kicks in, it'll be slightly less of a WTF? Right now, just an asshole who isn't nearly as pretty as he thinks he is.

deej240z
Oct. 26th, 2006 06:33 pm (UTC)
Please tell me what the point of this episode was? I've been trying to work my head around it and there were just so many wtf moments I gave up. I want to like it, I really do. God knows it'll probably be S4 before we get another Sawyer fb. I just... gah.
halfdutch
Oct. 26th, 2006 06:41 pm (UTC)
Awww. I agree this was easily the weakest of the Sawyer eps. And the con on him didn't make much sense, unless there's a bigger endgame. Getting him to cooperate is one thing, but then what's the point of telling him that's the case? To gain even more cooperation, in theory, I suppose.

Since they have the three of them, threatening to hurt one of the other two makes more sense than whatever complicated mindgames they have going on now.

I think with this ep they wanted to show us that a) Sawyer will do whatever it takes to survive, b) he's all talk when he says he doesn't care about anyone else and c) he can be fooled? It's still not at all clear why they're even there.
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ellel
Oct. 26th, 2006 07:35 pm (UTC)
I have to say though, that shouldn't they all be more freaked out that Jack, Kate and Sawyer have been kidnapped?
I know!They know that Udders captured J/K/S and noone cares!Locke made a speech and Sayid,Jin and Sun are missing,noone wondering what happened.
And that Paolo guy,I don't think I like him!

And yep,two islands,noone seen that coming...
halfdutch
Oct. 26th, 2006 08:57 pm (UTC)
I'm guessing Paolo has some big storyline coming up but I certainly don't give a fuck about him and I seriously doubt I will. New characters! Bleah. Sucks when they can't even find interesting stuff for existing characters to do! ADD, I tell you.

It pisses me off that the people on the beach didn't care about the hatch explosion and weren't beside themselves wondering if the people in it were alive. They should have been treating their survival as a miracle. And hey, this show loves its miracles. Lost chance! And they're doing zip about finding Jack, Kate and Sawyer. Lack of emotional continuity there is one of the show's major weaknesses

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cmonkatiekatie
Oct. 26th, 2006 07:42 pm (UTC)
I'm sure it was my presence alone that made you not hate Juliet quite so much. What? Not buying it?
halfdutch
Oct. 26th, 2006 08:58 pm (UTC)
Ha, maybe because she got to use more than two facial expressions this episode? Seriously, she's had nothing to DO so far but talk calmly at Jack so this was a marked improvement. All of the Others got some more much-needed dimension this week because up until now -- pretty damn one-note!

And hey, it was so much fun watching with you! YAY! Too bad you don't live closer! ;)
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eponine119
Oct. 26th, 2006 07:47 pm (UTC)
getting Kate to admit she loves Sawyer should have caused more abuse instead of stopping it.

Exactly. It makes no sense. Like so many things. I totally agree with you on everything else, too.
halfdutch
Oct. 26th, 2006 09:00 pm (UTC)
And yet your review was so much more succinct! LOL. ;)

I would love to fic that moment where Jack hears Sawyer screaming. *ponders*

Even tho this ep didn't really add up in a lot of ways, it is so much better than that hateful Jack backstory!
luckinfovely
Oct. 26th, 2006 11:37 pm (UTC)
Math time!

Okay, so what does this:

Because it's canon that even if he doesn't looooove Jack, he desperately needs his approval. Jack's important to him!

plus this:

And when Jack heard Sawyer screaming -- just the expression on his face killed me. He was crushed.

divided by the suck that is me for never commenting (even though I really DO read), multiplied by the SQUEE that was last night's episode, equal?

Confusion, bad grammar, and me wanting to go back to reading tons and tons and TONS of Jack/Sawyer fic.

Jeezus, just when I thought that the extra WTFness of the plot, the introduction of WAY too the frick many new characters, and that Ben guy's freakishly bulgy eyeballs had cost me my love of the show, they pull me back in with a SAWYER episode. A Sawyer episode. They couldn't even interest me with JACK.

Oh psh. *is quiet and quietly goes to read fic*
halfdutch
Oct. 27th, 2006 05:54 am (UTC)
OMG, hi! Good to hear from you again! *glomps*

I'm glad you liked the ep! I did but I know a lot of people didn't and usually I'm the one who's left unwowed. But mm, so much Sawyery goodness. And I can go right on fanwanking Jack and Sawyer together -- try and stop me!!

(But grrr, I really hated that Jack episode. That is not a direction I wanted them go with Jack at all, with Sarah, I mean. Bleah.)

Enjoy catching up on fic! ;)
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