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Promo for this week's Lost

Okay, this is the first I'm hearing that ...


Someone is going to die this week. I keep joking they should kill off the characters that bore me but good grief, is it time to kill off characters again? Oh yeah, right, November sweeps. So predictable. The first time, it was shocking. The second time was still wrenching but ended up being completely gratuitous. And the next two were just "Eh."

That said, if it's an Eko ep and Eko goes, I can't say I'll really miss him. He looked dead in the Locke ep and I was fine with that. I like him, he just seems like he's in his own separate show. It's just not Lost when it's one of his episodes. *shrugs* I also don't see how an Eko episode would fit into anything that's going on right now. That would seem to be losing any momentum with the current storylines. If this were really an action-oriented show, the rescue would be number one on the survivors' agenda. Although maybe there is a rescue effort ...?

They could very well be killing someone else off and there's really only a few people I'm attached to at this point: Sawyer, Jack, Kate, Desmond, Sayid, Hurley. You can't have a show without Locke ... That's pretty much it. I wouldn't mind seeing anyone else go, honestly. (No offense to fans of the characters I didn't mention.)

Their rotating door policy does irk me. I fail to see why we need two new castaway characters, other than the flashback format requires new backstories and they can't figure out how to tell fresh ones for the existing characters. The flashbacks are crippling the show. Every once in a while, the flashback is better than what's going on on the island. Sometimes they complement each other nicely. But so often it's just a painful slog, a complete retread with the same old characters. It just kills me that there's dozens of new people we keep meeting on the island but in the backstories, it's been the same two or three people for most of the characters. Boring! I am so sick of the continuing backstories. And no new characters will ever be as interesting or as integral to the show as Shannon and Boone were. (Okay, apart from Desmond.)

I'm sure they're not killing off any of the major characters. Can it please, please be Claire? And her baby? Thank you! Or Maybe Michael can show up again and they can kill him!

ETA: You know, when other shows kill off characters, it doesn't feel as calculated as this. *thinks* Okay, on 24, I never knew who was going to go and when they did, it was VERY shocking. Same with MI-5. But because they didn't announce it ahead of time, it didn't feel like a cheap ratings stunt. Other shows, you tend to hear who's going ahead of time because it gets reported before they leave. I think the worst part about killing off characters on a regular basis is that it's such a gratuitous device. Boone's death made sense and helped deepen the show and the remaining characters. Shannon's death was so easily swept aside as to be completely pointless. And we all know the other two were mandated by ABC, even if it did end up driving the plot. I really do feel that the Lost writers don't even like their original show anymore, not the original concept or the original characters. Dudes, if you don't like your own show, you can always QUIT! It's not like you're maintaining any sort of level of integrity by staying, the way things stand.

Maybe it's just ABC insisting they advertise "someone will die!" and it's not quite as crass as all that. But it's not like those deaths are meaningful or have any repercussions. It's just out with the old, in with the new. And that's sad. It's also sad that I'm at the point where they could kill off about half the cast and I wouldn't bat an eyelash.



So this must be what's bumming out my flist? If you know specifics, I don't want to know.

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zelda_zee
Oct. 30th, 2006 08:08 am (UTC)
Yes, this is one of the things that has been bumming me out. Altho themoononastick provided some background that at least made it make sense in this case, in terms of the actor to go. But still, I'm just weary of killing off characters, for whatever reason.

I am very fond of Eko, and his backstory is really interesting to me, so I would miss him a lot more than you. Truly, I don't want to see any of them go, even Claire, who is certainly the least compelling character on the show, thanks to the way she's written.

Look, I went and got me a Halloweeny icon!
halfdutch
Oct. 30th, 2006 08:15 am (UTC)
Yaay, Halloween! ;) And more Gary Baseman!

I do like Eko, it's just his backstories leave me curiously cold. They really seem like it's some anthology show that's kind of like Lost, but just isn't Lost. I think, for me, there's a strong argument to be made in just keeping some characters but not giving them additional backstories. Maybe that rule should apply for everyone!

And maybe this one won't feel so gratuitous but it's like the boy who cried wolf, after a while, your reaction is just "Oh yeah?" On 24, I never saw it coming and it always was shocking and had an impact on the remaining characters. Then again, it's a fast-paced action show so no one has that much time to dwell, but they manage to make each death count more than Lost has.

Yeah, it takes a lot of air out of the balloon of fandom, doesn't it? :-/

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halfdutch
Oct. 30th, 2006 05:23 pm (UTC)
So true. They have far too much to juggle (which is their own fault) but yes, the writing really took a nosedive in quality. There were maybe 4 decent eps in season two and that's about it. :-/

Other shows do this so much better. It's so sad because for a while there, it really was the best show on TV.

foxxcub
Oct. 30th, 2006 04:08 pm (UTC)
I'm STILL not completely convinced that Boone's death was warrented, but whatever. It seems so funny to think that I once stayed awake all night with a knot in my stomach agonizing over who was getting killed (back when the fucking promo monkeys were convincing us that Sawyer had brain cancer or something). Now I'm basically like, "meh, whatever."

I read an interesting review of Desperate Housewives in USA Today that critiqued the whole show so far, and it's kind of eerie how that show's progression in terms of quality mirrors Lost's. I mean, the second season sucked, and the third season thus far has, according to this reviewer, redeemed the show, but still hasn't brought it back to its glory days. And what I don't get is that while critics and even DH's creator will freely admit that the show fucked up and isn't what it used to be, NO ONE outside of the fans and the viewers will admit to Lost's decline from season one, especially the smug bastard writers. I just wish someone in charge would get their head out of their blissfully ignorant asses and realized they're slowly ruining one of the best shows on TV.

Okay, it's still way too early in the morning for me to rant like that, but yeah. :P
halfdutch
Oct. 30th, 2006 05:30 pm (UTC)
Agreed. It's a big shrug anymore when they say they're going to kill someone off. (And yes, omg, the angst back when it seemed they wanted to kill off Sawyer. AUGH!) They're training us not to get invested in any of the characters anymore.

Y'know, I'm still waiting on that apology for S2 that's just not forthcoming. If you ask me, DH wasn't as bad in its S2 as Lost was and yet Marc Cherry has been apologizing all over the place. JJ apologized for the horrific S3 of Alias and he really needs to do the same for Lost S2. (S3 of Lost remains a mixed bag for me, so far. It seems like they're making the exact same mistakes of S2 all over again!)

It's funny, I was just thinking about how Sawyer is suddenly so easily fooled and Sayid is suddenly incapable of planning a decent ambush -- and what show did that remind me of? And then I realized it was Alias, where Vaughn married a woman who seemed to be evil, so of course she was. For a whole season, she fooled them all and always got away from any tight spots. And then the second they're onto her, they can't fool her once! It's one thing to have clever villains, it's another thing entirely to stack the deck by making your main characters look like pathetic chumps. (And yes, the more I think about it, the more flawed that Sawyer story was.)

I just wish one of us could get in that writers' room and give them some cold, hard truths. They're eroding their audience and their audience loyalty. How can they not see that?
isis2015
Oct. 30th, 2006 06:02 pm (UTC)
I think one of Lost's biggest problems is it tells you shit like that ahead of time. I mean, maybe a certain amount is due to involvement with fandom. You can't help but hear things. I have a feeling that if my mom watched the show and she had no exposure to the fandom, she might be shocked by the deaths when they come, because she hasn't been hearing announcements about how they're adding new characters or killing off old ones, or whatever. However, none of that changes the fact that announcing it ahread of time is a stupid idea. Just freaking do it. Another problem is that the writers and producers of the show seem to be stubbornly clinging to the idea that they know what they're doing, and trying to convince everyone of that. Well, if that's the line, I ain't biting. I don't believe that there is anything redeeming to killing of characters for shock value, or sacrificing the ones that we came to love after the first season for new ones that we'll hate. :/ Yes. I'm still bitter about Shannon.

I don't know who dies, or when, and I really don't want to. I just don't want this to turn into the Jack and Sawyer show for me, where I only tune in to see the boys from week to week. I remember when I used to care about the character interactions and how they lived on this island, but that gave way to many a horrendous plot-twist that I really didn't give two shits about. The characters and how they played off each other made the show great. The aspect of crashing on an island and having to survive made it great. I miss that.
halfdutch
Oct. 31st, 2006 03:26 am (UTC)
Agreed. Anymore, the deaths feel like shock value, rather than anything organic or integral to the show. *sighs* You can't treat all your characters as disposable and still expect people to tune in.

I just don't want this to turn into the Jack and Sawyer show for me, where I only tune in to see the boys from week to week.

Welcome to my world. :-/ Okay, I still love Desmond and I like Hurley and Sayid and I kind of need Kate but they've eroded my liking and interest for just about everyone else on the show. I remember when I was interested in everyone but they've reduced so many of them back to those stereotypes they started out with. It's so discouraging. They keep claiming it's a character-driven show but it really isn't. It's about the gimmicks and the deaths and they can't even keep their characters in character or take into account what they've been through or how they'd act or interact under the circumstances. It feels cheap and shallow.

I still enjoy it here and there but my faith was really broken in S2 and they've yet to convince me they're not going to keep marching merrily down that same path to hell this week.

The characters and how they played off each other made the show great. The aspect of crashing on an island and having to survive made it great. I miss that.

WORD. That is the show I fell in love with. I wish there weren't so many peope on that island or so many mysteries and it really were a tale of survival. The more they get away from that and they more they clutter up the basic concept with useless crap, the more the magic of the show dies. :-/
themoononastick
Oct. 30th, 2006 10:39 pm (UTC)
I just fail to see why the killing of a character is always (seemingly) touted by ABC/tptb as a reason, if not the only reason, to watch an episode.
It's bad enough that they are falling into such an annoying pattern - hey, it's November sweeps, time to kill someone - but do they have to do it with such glee? *sigh*

I dunno, yeah killing off characters is done on every show, whether it's because a character has reached the end of its usefullness or just to drive the story forward but most other shows seem to do it so much better than Lost. Like when the mother died on Buffy - that was gut-wrenching, so well done and such a shock, Hell it even made me feel sorry for Dawn and I hated her! But when Lost does it I just end up feeling angry at the potential being wasted because it always seems like there's no long-term plan involved, death for shock value as opposed to anything else. And the thing is, if they keep doing it over and over again, it stops being a shock and just becomes a waste. bleh.
halfdutch
Oct. 31st, 2006 03:30 am (UTC)
God, I know. :-/ I don't see how that's a marketing hook either. Now, if they promoted people having sex!! "This week ... two (or more!) of these castaways will DO IT!" Heh.

Just about every other show I can think of (outside of ER or soap operas) manages to kill off characters with dignity and in an intelligent, meaningful way that isn't immediately forgotten about. And how many times can you play that card before everyone shrugs? I'd say the third time was a big shrug already, so the fourth time ... meh.

And OMG, as if I didn't need another reason to love you: God, I hated Dawn too! SO MUCH. I actually stopped watching for a few eps when she came on. Same with Connor on Angel. New characters (almost always) suck!! Especially mystical, bratty teens. *sighs*

deej240z
Oct. 30th, 2006 10:44 pm (UTC)
In all fairness (*gasp*), I believe the network is responsible for the sensational "someone will die!" advertising, and I believe it goes back to the S1 press from *the producers* about the show being like a "gladiator" arean. The audience wants *blood*! The network latched onto that and has never let go. They truely believe that is what sells. *sigh*

Yes, it pisses me off too. I don't care to have any new characters, and I don't care to see old ones die. I want my little S1 family back. *grumbles*
halfdutch
Oct. 31st, 2006 03:35 am (UTC)
Yeah, you have to place a lot of blame at ABC's feet for the promos and the timing of the deaths. And it was ABC who ordered that the DUI Twins get bumped off. (Too little, too late to save Season Two!)

But it's not like I have a lot of confidence in the writers' "vision" either. They're so gleeful about killing off people and bringing new ones in. It's just ... Jesus, it's supposed to be a deserted, uncharted island! And I've always hated the creative copout that is the redshirts. LAME all around.

I want my little S1 family back. If that doesn't include Michael and Claire has something to do other than yell, "My BAYBEE," agreed!

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