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SPN: Jus in Bello

Ahh, I really needed that. This week SPN >>> Lost, definitely.


SUCH a good episode. Creepy and action-packed and a bit of plot advancement. I always love a good siege scenario. (I guess those zombies could have waited forever out there for them, eh?)

Damn, I love it when enemies see the light and come over to the Winchesters' side. RIP, Agent Hendrickson. You were a good man.

Creepy little kid demon = extremely played out? *shrugs* Makes you miss YED, yes?

Random question: What does Ruby get up to when she's not helping out the Winchesters? Sexing up random chicks at bars? LOL. Giving beginner witches tips?



Meta on women on Lost, SPN, Sarah Connor Chronicles
Even if you hate Bela, you have to admit (or not) that it's kind of refreshing to see a female character that's unapologetically BAD and selfish. She really is only out for herself. (I suppose, maybe, she has some noble endgame with the Colt, but I doubt it.)

I get tired of the waffling with, say, Kate on Lost. She's not evil, of course, but they always try to have it both ways with her and it just doesn't work unless we bend over backwards as fans. Why is it so hard to write complex female characters on TV? I'd say, so far, they're doing a decent job with Sarah on Sarah Connor Chronicles. She's capable of being extremely ruthless but she has a conscience and a heart. She's tough without being a bitch. And she's *gasp* a mom and she lives to ensure that John lives and yet somehow we don't see her as *just* a mother. And now that Juliet (on Lost) has picked a side, I find I quite like her. I really hated the "is she evil or isn't she" angle we were treated to all last season, and the way that EM played it. Glad that's all over, yes?

BTW: I missed this week's SCC ep and went to watch it online. FOX's online player is the best. No commercials, and --- icon makers! -- no corporate logos, no onscreen ads of any kind. And the phone rang and I was able to pause it for over half an hour! You can't pause the ABC player that long! But, sadly, the Reese Bros. backstory didn't hold my attention. I'll have to watch the rest of the ep another time.

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isis2015
Feb. 23rd, 2008 05:33 am (UTC)
I really liked Jus in Bello. It was a good episode to end on before the strike-imposed hiatus. Hendrickson would have made a damn good hunter, so I'm kind of sad he died. I'm actually upset all of them died (especially Nancy the Virgin, who I grew oddly attached to somehow ;_;).

Even if you hate Bela, you have to admit (or not) that it's kind of refreshing to see a female character that's unapologetically BAD and selfish.

YES! Okay, I'm not one of the people hating on her, but, still, yes. I'm glad she's a completely selfish bitch who isn't phased by the fact that Sam and Dean saved her life once and certainly doesn't let that prevent her from taking what she wants when she wants it. She owns the bitch that she is, and, for whatever reason, I can respect that. I understand why people don't like her, I just don't happen to be one of them.
halfdutch
Feb. 23rd, 2008 05:42 am (UTC)
Yes! There's something about an unapologetic villain/opponent that's very enjoyable. She's not a good person, but she's a good character and therein lies the difference. I kind of see her like Lindsey on Angel, although he really had much more of a conscience than Bela does. It doesn't hurt that both Lindsey and Bela provide such nice eyecandy, either. :)
isis2015
Feb. 23rd, 2008 05:45 am (UTC)
*drool* Mmm, Lindsey. God, Christian Kane is beautiful.
halfdutch
Feb. 23rd, 2008 05:47 am (UTC)
Mmm, yeah! Why do I have no icons of him?
isis2015
Feb. 23rd, 2008 05:50 am (UTC)
I have 2 (mostly because I'm obsessed with his band right now and I need icons to reflect my squee). You should really look into that, because he ain't hard to look at, that's for darn sure. ;) There are some hot Lindsey icons out there, too. Especially from 'You're Welcome' when he had that perfect long hair and was shirtless a lot. Yum-my.
halfdutch
Feb. 23rd, 2008 06:00 am (UTC)
I wasn't into Angel fandom (apart from watching the show) when it was on. But I did want to write some Lindsey/Darla! I even anticipated Lindsey drinking scotch (not much of a stretch, to be sure) and singing at the ... er, what was the bar Lorne owned? Yeah. Anyway, very yummy. I love that fight he had with Angel where he brings a shovel. And his beat-up truck. So very yummy.
zelda_zee
Feb. 23rd, 2008 07:52 am (UTC)
I guess I prefer my villains more conflicted. Bela's just not working for me, not so far anyway.

Juliet is more palatable this season, I admit. While I'm not a fan, her every appearance is no longer setting my teeth on edge. Really, the way things are going with Kate, I think I may actually prefer Juliet at this point. And to Claire as well, after this week's ep. Which leaves Sun and Rose as my favorite (living) Lost women, I guess.

Joss creates complex female characters. He's the best at it, imho. The woman in my icon = possibly my favorite female TV character ever.
rogueapprentice
Feb. 23rd, 2008 03:02 pm (UTC)
The woman in my icon = possibly my favorite female TV character ever.

Amen, sister. The women of Firefly own all.
hopelessfangirl
Feb. 23rd, 2008 04:47 pm (UTC)
*seconds this*

And pretty River icon, btw. ♥
zelda_zee
Feb. 23rd, 2008 07:50 pm (UTC)
I love all the Firefly women (and men, for that matter), but Zoe is my favorite. I also ship canon for that show, a rarity for me.
halfdutch
Feb. 23rd, 2008 03:25 pm (UTC)
Juliet is definitely better this season. I don't mind her at all and I even kind of like her! Same with Ben. They're just using them better this season, I think. And letting them be kind of funny and human. God, Kate! I've made so many allowances for the things they do with her character but it really is hard to hang in there. Or to understand what either Jack or Sawyer sees in her, at this point! Is it really that hard to write a decent love triangle, guys? Ha, Rose bugs me. I hate how they usually just bring her in when someone needs to be scolded or prayed with.

And Joss does create wonderful female characters. I never fell in love with Firefly but I'll always love Angel and Buffy. And I'm looking forward to that series he's supposed to be doing with Eliza Dushku!
elise_509
Feb. 23rd, 2008 07:54 am (UTC)
Ruby's totally out at gay bars picking chicks up. You know it.

With Bela, I can respect her for being a bitch and out for herself and unapologetic about it, but that really doesn't make me like her. I wouldn't like a real woman like that, and I wouldn't like a real man like that either. Like Locke...the more that he acts only in his own self-interest and for his own end game, the more I hate him. I don't like selfish people. And a villain like Ben, who is more 3-dimensional in his evil, is one I can enjoy because there's clearly more going on than just being evil. Right now Bela is sort of a cartoon villain to me; there's nothing to her.

I'm with you on the waffling. Kate makes me crazy with her fence straddling. The way they did that with Juliet made me crazy too, I'm so glad that's all over and now I can have complete and utter love for her (mad, mad love!). I haven't watched Sarah Connor but that sounds promising, maybe I need to check that out. I've had the pilot sitting on my computer for a long time now!
halfdutch
Feb. 23rd, 2008 03:22 pm (UTC)
*icon twins you*

I guess I think Bela makes an interesting character, but definitely not a good or likable person. Kinda like Shannon or Cordelia, at first, before they evolved a bit. Just an entertainingly bitchy type to have around. Of course, Bela is really fucking the boys over left and right and I don't approve of that but it doesn't make me hate her either. (Why? Just doesn't.)

I am enjoying the Sarah Connor series but I'd advise watching the second ep before making a decision. The pilot is really just laying the groundwork (which is pretty familiar to anyone who's ever seen the films) and getting viewers used to new characters in these roles. Anyway, that's how it worked for me. I was kind of "meh" on the pilot but by the second ep they were starting to go in new directions and I was no longer thinking, "Hey, that's not Linda Hamilton!" Bonus if you like Dean Winters. :)

As for Kate: I liked her so much at first. They really botched her story from the second they decided to make her big crime a secret. Since then we've had to make all kinds of allowances for their crappy writing of her. There are so many ways to handle a love triangle where you honestly have feelings for two people but they way they write her using both Jack and Sawyer is just ... GAH. It's really impossible now to see what either men sees in her and why they're so whipped. *sighs* At least Sawyer called her on her B.S.

And Juliet, well liking her is a complete surprise! I'm always resentful of new characters, I guess, especially when they get so much screen time. But yeah, so far so good this season! :)

Edited at 2008-02-23 04:10 pm (UTC)
janie_tangerine
Feb. 23rd, 2008 11:19 am (UTC)
SPN was definitely better this round, I agree. Though I'm sad for agent Hendriksen, I really liked him!

Creepy little kid demon = extremely played out? *shrugs* Makes you miss YED, yes?

Only thing I didn't like. Though well, the YED is buried in Craphole Island ;) they have to do with what they have ;)

Good point about Bela. I don't like her a bit but yeah, at least she's a selfish bitch and that's all there is to it. At least. And Ruby totally picks up girls at lesbian bars ;)

About the women, another good point. Personally, Kate was never in my favorites book since that episode where she conned Jack when he dug up the marshal and the more it went on the less I cared. Right now I really can't care less about what she does and they write her in a way that doesn't do it for me. While Juliet, I kinda liked her before and I'm loving her now, she picked a side, she's awesome and I'm glad they seemingly stopped the mindfucking about whether she was good or bad or whatever. It really seems like it's too difficult to write some complex woman which hasn't got something to do with children in some way.

no corporate logos, no onscreen ads of any kind.

What a miracle is this? If only the CW did the same thing... iconing Supernatural has become a torture, with all the ads they put!
halfdutch
Feb. 23rd, 2008 03:28 pm (UTC)
I've really tried to hang in there with Kate, despite all the ridiculous things they make her character do but yeesh, it's hard work! No wonder we all write slash! And Juliet is really so much more appealing this season. It's miraculous! And, so far, not interested in having kids, hurrah! What is it with them and babies anyway?

I don't know what the CW online player is like because they take DAYS to put their eps online. They must be trying to boost sales on iTunes or something, but it's maddening! ABC puts theirs up within a few hours of airing. But yeah, the FOX player is clearly the best!
janie_tangerine
Feb. 23rd, 2008 07:08 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's what I like best about Juliet. At least one who doesn't want to get pregnant! Well, right, there's Rose too, but if she got pregnant.. errr, that's too much even for them ;) maybe Darlton are secretly a couple, can't have children and put their frustration on the show?

The problem with the CW, apart from the fact that they put the episodes days late, is that damn Pussycat Dolls on their logo, so when you get the caps after the episode not only you have to cancel the CW, but also all the other writings. Which is kind of tiresome, damn!
hopelessfangirl
Feb. 23rd, 2008 04:44 pm (UTC)
I can't say I agree with you on Bela. And this is coming from someone who liked her better than Ruby from the start (unlike the majority of the fandom). I don't like the fact that the boys saved her life and in return she treats them worse than she did before. The episode immediately following 'Red Sky At Morning' she sold them out to Gordon, and later she steals THE COLT, and then sells them out to Hendrickson. All of those last three things are much, much worse than getting the Impala towed or conning the boys into helping her get a valuable object or stealing their lottery tickets. Now I'm not saying she should send them flowers every day for the rest of her life, but at least stay out of their business for a while. Remain neutral instead of making more problems for them.

I'm wondering how creepy/menacing they're gonna make Lillith... because so far I kind of like the fact that there's a little demon girl out there who's all-powerful and is out to get Sam & Dean. It's a switch from YED for sure, but I'm hoping she ends up being just as cool in a love-to-hate-them way.
halfdutch
Feb. 24th, 2008 03:38 pm (UTC)
I guess I see Bela somewhat like Spike on Buffy or Lindsey on Angel -- someone who's always fucking with your hero(es) but whom you don't end up hating. At least, I don't hate her. I don't *get* her, but I don't hate her.

I'm kind of tired of little kid monsters so I was kind of "meh" on Lilith but who knows?
alemyrddin
Feb. 25th, 2008 10:36 am (UTC)
I liked that SPN episode as well, though I do think in the end Bela will redeem herself, someway (I might prefer she stays bad, but I don't think it's likely). And I'm sorry they brought Hendriksen back only to kill him just as he understood what the Winchesters were doing. But it was good, overall, lots of tension, imo. (Though, what's up with Sam's sudden lack of scruples at the idea of killing a virgin?)

anyway... I'm probably not objective about Kate, but, since I remember liking her at the beginning of S1, I'm blaming how they write her for my disliking her.

And now that Juliet (on Lost) has picked a side, I find I quite like her.
I'm surprised that this season I'm liking her more and more. I like how she is quite strong, and snarky, and that she seems pretty straightforward now.
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