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Lost: Namaste


I wasn't able to watch Lost until just now and I know I'm waaaaay behind everyone else's discussion of it.

I confess to being disappointed. At least, the Jack/Sawyer fangirl in me is. Why is Sawyer so mad at Jack? That doesn't really add up to me. He's all "Yeah, I'm fucking Juliet. And Kate still wants me. And I saved your ass. And now you're a janitor. And oh, yeah, don't call me James." And let's not forget: "You sucked as a leader and I'm the bomb-diggity. How you like them apples?"

Might it not be a good time for Jack to mention that they came back because they thought everyone on the island was in danger? Are they just going to skip that little plot point? You'd think that Kate and Jack at least would be "Um... so, where's the emergency?" Unless it's to save them all from the imminent Hostile attack.

Jack, Kate and Hurley's hair fits in very, very well into 1977. As does Sayid's actually. It's multi-decade appropriate! Wonder how they'll deal with that whole situation... Next week looks very Confidence Man-like.

And I think that's all I got. I'd rather not have to deal with new cast members. Hoping their screen time will be very brief. Hmmm.

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deej240z
Mar. 21st, 2009 11:16 am (UTC)
I didn't see Sawyer being mad at Jack. I saw Jack start up with his usual asshattery and Sawyer set him straight. And every single word was true.

The less new people the better. That Cesar guy is annoying already. Lol.
halfdutch
Mar. 21st, 2009 06:27 pm (UTC)
Wow, I didn't realize you felt that way about Jack. I don't get that scene at all. The fact that Jack fails to mention why the O6 came back and Sawyer's sudden devotion to Locke, of all people, makes no sense to me whatsoever. Wasn't Sawyer waiting for the 06 to come back?

I am so over these new characters. Been there, done that, buried them.
deej240z
Mar. 21st, 2009 07:15 pm (UTC)
I thought you knew I wasn't a big Jack fan. :) I don't hate him but I don't care for him either. The Jack on the show, not fic. ;-)

That scene started off just fine. Sawyer offers him a seat and a beer. It goes south when Jack judges Sawyer for sitting around reading a book looking like he's not doing anything. He's still stuck in his preconceived notions about Sawyer. And it didn't help he had to bring up the "I got us off the island." I was really waiting for Sawyer to say, "Well, you left behind about 25 people. What's up with that?"

It's a good thing Jack didn't mention why the 6 came back or he'd have to explain why not one of them in the entire 3 years they were away didn't lift one finger to find their friends left behind. Awwwwkward!

I'm with you with the Locke thing. *scratches head* I don't think it's devotion, per se. I think it's probably more along the lines of Locke seemed to know a way to set things straight again and stop the time tripping, so he went along with him. Idk, my fanwanking is not up to par. :)
halfdutch
Mar. 21st, 2009 07:25 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Jack was single-handedly responsible for a random 6 people getting off the island ... right. Agreed, that claim is baseless, especially since he didn't rescue everyone. Oh, the whole thing is making my head hurt. I was looking forward to having them in the same scene again and this was just a major disappointment. I don't know why they need conflict for conflict's sake between these two. I call major BS.

I don't get why they didn't discuss how and why the O6 came back or the whole time shift thing.... did the O6 even know about the time traveling at all? That's a discussion that might be worth having!

deej240z
Mar. 21st, 2009 07:36 pm (UTC)
Oh, the whole thing is making my head hurt.
Lol, me too. I anticipate more angst and headbutting for those two. :)

I don't think anyone has had time to talk about anything. It's their first night there and people are watching the new recruits like a hawk. Did you notice how curious Phil was about Jack going to visit "Jim?"
gravi_girl123
Mar. 21st, 2009 01:56 pm (UTC)
I agree with the comment above--lately Jack has been the biggest idiot this side of idiotville. Or at least last time Sawyer saw him. So I was glad Sawyer set him straight and was like, "It's my turn to play leader, and I'm damn good at it." Sawyer/Jack fangirls will always find a way to spin any Sawyer/Jack situation, all hope is not lost!
halfdutch
Mar. 21st, 2009 06:30 pm (UTC)
Well, I'll agree that Jack agreeing not to ever ask Kate about Aaron makes no sense. And same with trusting Ben so blindly. But that scene was just bizarre, to me. They didn't mention the obvious issues, imho, and instead got into a petty pissing contest which seemed to come out of nowhere.

I don't think Jack/Sawyer fangirls can work around this season, honestly, unless it's totally AU. I guess most of us were expecting an entirely different kind of reunion.
gravi_girl123
Mar. 21st, 2009 10:30 pm (UTC)
That's actually a really good point--why didn't Jack bring up anything important? This show is very good at not getting to the heart of the issue that I think I'm becoming numb to it.

I'm still enjoying the show, but not nearly as much as I used to. I just feel like it lost the old feeling or spirit, something.
elliotsmelliot
Mar. 21st, 2009 02:05 pm (UTC)
It's multi-decade appropriate!

So true!

I enjoyed the episode, though I get the disappointment with the Jack and Sawyer bitchfest. This episode also suffered from the classic, 'I will not ask the most pressing obvious questions and will withhold pertinent information'.
halfdutch
Mar. 21st, 2009 06:30 pm (UTC)
This episode also suffered from the classic, 'I will not ask the most pressing obvious questions and will withhold pertinent information'.

Ugh, I know. That and the OOC writing is just driving me nuts.
slybrunette
Mar. 21st, 2009 04:18 pm (UTC)
You're not the only one disappointed. Believe me.
halfdutch
Mar. 21st, 2009 06:31 pm (UTC)
Yeah, MAJOR disappointment. That is not the way any of us would have written that scene and I'm not even talking about making it slashy, just, you know, dealing with why the fuck the O6 came back in the first place.
slybrunette
Mar. 21st, 2009 08:13 pm (UTC)
True. So true. Which was probably why I had such a problem with it (and the episode as a whole, unfortunately).
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halfdutch
Mar. 21st, 2009 06:34 pm (UTC)
Hmmm. . I confess to being extremely bummed out both by this ep and fandom's reaction to it. That scene made no sense to me whatsoever, especially Jack not mentioning why the hell the O6 came back. You think that might have come up! Yes, it makes sense for him to be concerned about Sayid but the rest is just... I don't know, conflict for conflict's sake, and to me, pretty damn pointless. *shrug*

I still love them both but I thought we'd moved beyond the "You're a jerk" "No, you're a jerk" phase. I mean, that scene in your icon...? Might as well have been two totally different characters.
gottalovev
Mar. 21st, 2009 07:39 pm (UTC)
ah, well I enjoyed it a lot more than you it seems. I didn't mind the little bitchfest just because I was happy for those two to interact at least. they were both childish, I agree, but Jack started getting snide witch of course sent Sawyer to say nasty things back. *sigh*

everyone needs to have a conversation about what happened and what goes on from here SOON.
halfdutch
Mar. 21st, 2009 08:51 pm (UTC)
I was really looking forward to having them together again (only for ever!) and this is what they give us? :-( I don't get why they have to be at odds. And why the obvious isn't coming up.. I don't know, it didn't do it for me at all. Maybe next week will be better?
kellysparrow
Mar. 21st, 2009 08:57 pm (UTC)
It seems as if half my f'list is behind on Lost, or at least posting their reviews and I'm glad, at least I've got something to do now :D

I wasn't only very angry about the Jack/Sawyer leadership-scene, but also disappointed in their reunion. What the fuck is up with this shit?

And I was completely surprised Sawyer reacted like this to Jack. I was like: where does this come from? Why are you doing this? It's not like it's to be compared. Jack was in a completely different situation back then, had to make decisions without thinking, even if he wanted and/or needed time, there simply wasn't any and its complete bullshit that Sawyer tells Jack that he wasn't thinking and therefore, people died. Shut up, Sawyer. There, said it.

I cannot cope with any more new (regular?) cast member. Seriously, I can't and simply WON'T care about any new people. That Cesar is annoying as fuck and I don't like that girl either, I don't even remember her name.
halfdutch
Mar. 21st, 2009 09:09 pm (UTC)
The whole scene was so strange, just conflict for conflict's sake. And not about anything really pressing just... random. I don't know, how hard can it be to write a meaningful scene about what's actually going on *and* acknowledge that it's a bit awkward for them to see each other again? There was really no need for them to be at each other's throats and Sawyer's comparison was unfair, you're right. It's apples and oranges and I don't buy that he'd get hung up on shoving Jack's face in his failures the second he gets back. I don't get it at all.

The new characters suck. I hope they are all monster-bait very soon.
kellysparrow
Mar. 21st, 2009 09:49 pm (UTC)
Yeah, random's a good word for it. And it came out of bloody nowhere. If it would have had any sort of previous scene that lead up to it, but no. Just Jack going over to Sawyer to discuss what to do next, and there's Sawyer pretending he's the better of the two. I don't know. It just felt weird, didn't feel like Jack and Sawyer at all. Wouldn't say the chemistry is gone, but it was so awkward and not like them. Granted, it *has* been three years, but still.

With respect to the chemistry, Jack and Kate were like cold as ice. Are these supposed to be two adults that had sex the day/night before? Omg. *frustrated*
demonqueen666
Mar. 21st, 2009 11:00 pm (UTC)
I'd rather not have to deal with new cast members. Hoping their screen time will be very brief. Hmmm.

Pfft, Smokey's totally gonna eat their faces first chance he gets. Um, I hope.
halfdutch
Mar. 23rd, 2009 01:25 am (UTC)
Go Smokey! It's your birthday! ;) *hands newcomer character cake*
vixerunt
Mar. 21st, 2009 11:23 pm (UTC)
Minus my confusion over the J/S scene, I really enjoyed the episode. The plane crash alone in the beginning was incredible to me. And as Jack walked into Juliet's house, I went awesome - Jack/Sawyer/Juliet threesome! And then it was like...

:-D

:-)

:-/

:-(

:-0

In that order! I think what Sawyer said had some truth to it, but it was so out of left field. It was a complete overreaction to Jack's dig about Sawyer reading in a time of crisis. Upon second viewing, I think Jack went in expecting to hear a plan to save Sayid and he immediately jumped on Sawyer for being indifferent about it, because Sawyer was kind of famous for that for a while on the show.

I noticed something the first time I watched it though and then again upon second viewing. Jack looked almost relieved when Sawyer took control away from him. Almost as if it was a revelation and I was actually really intrigued by that. If the writers stick to this and let Jack kind of soak it in and become a more go-with-the-flow kind of character, I think it could be interesting. I personally would love to see Jack take on a different role in the group (Even though I love him as both the good and the flawed hero). Making him a regular guy is a neat twist.

I'm probably giving too much credit to the writers though. Jack will probably be off blowing shit up and trying to save people next week.

I don't know. I came home Wednesday pretty happy with the episode (It tipped a hat to Jack's recovery when he turned down the beer, we found out who knocked Ben out, and saw a brief glimpse of Claire in the creepy cabin when Christian met with Frank and Sun). It was a little shocking for me to see the fandom reaction to it. I feel pretty out of sync with everyone, but I completely understand why so many would dislike the episode. It is definitely a rocky spot in the season.
halfdutch
Mar. 23rd, 2009 01:24 am (UTC)
HI, dear. We totally need some Jack/Sawyer/Juliet about now!

You are much more in tune with the show than I am these days, I think. I remember Ben being knocked out but I don't remember that it was a mystery -- I figured he'd been knocked out in the crash! (You know I don't have great recall when it comes to the Ben story lines!)

I hadn't realized, either, what it meant for Jack to turn down a beer. *nods* That is a nice touch. I was disappointed in this ep as I was awaiting this reunion for over a year!! I'm upset that so many things I consider important (like the O6's reason for coming back in the first place!) didn't get mentioned at all. And that's just very frustrating. I'm happy with Leader!Sawyer but not happy that he has to take digs at Jack and vice versa. It seems so childish and just a silly writer's idea of a way to create tension when there's already plenty.

Hoping that the next ep deals with those issues! At least we'll get Sayid in bondage, right?
vixerunt
Mar. 23rd, 2009 01:53 am (UTC)
Sayid in bondage automatically makes the episode an A. I'll add a + if we get something slashy to make up for last week.

The only reason I thought something was weird about Ben being knocked out was that someone said he had gone off with the woman and the pilot in the boat. Obviously, Ben didn't make it off the island since Locke runs into him in the makeshift sick bay. It was just weird and I couldn't figure out why Ben was out cold near the Hydra station when he was supposed to have made it off the island with Frank and Sun.

As for Jack turning down the beer, I saw it as a nod to his addiction, but I've seen people say that the island is curing him, like Rose and Locke. Not the way I'd like to see that storyline resolved, but I highly doubt they'll touch on it again on the show.

I'm really surprised that Jack, Hurley, and Kate didn't immediately go, "What's wrong? Is everyone okay? What happened to you guys that was so freaking terrible that Locke had to die to get us back?" Ya know, obvious questions. Maybe they'll touch on it next week as you said between the Kate/Juliet cat fighting and pissing contests between the men.

At least there is fic to fix things and fill in the gaps. And hopefully give me J/J/S porn at some point.
jazzpno
Mar. 23rd, 2009 04:59 pm (UTC)
I enjoyed the episode overall, as my primary wish was for everyone to get back on the damn island.

That said, the reunions were lukewarm at best (Jack and Sawyer greeted each other with more enthusiasm when Jack was stuck in Otherville for ONE WEEK)! I'm beginning to think that the hotness that is Sawyer/Jack scares Darlton so much that they can't allow any physical contact.

What you said above is true, the scene at Casa LeFleur was conflict for conflict's sake. It wasn't necessary, nor was it realistic. No questions asked between J/S re: the past three years? None? WTH! I would have preferred one episode where the two groups are able to exist in harmony before the shit hits the fan. Hell they have 6 or 7 more episodes to ratchet up the drama, one "reintroduction" epi wouldn't kill 'em.

Since TPTB aren't giving J/S the scenes they deserve, maybe someone here will write it for them ***wink wink***.
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