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(So much for staying away from LJ. ;-D)

From here:

Also in attendance was big screen star Michelle Rodriguez, who has just joined the cast, and hunky leading man Matthew Fox. With many fans expecting to see a bit of romance between their two characters, Matthew hinted that a little intrigue may indeed be in the pipeline. "We've been 40 days on this island dealing with very intense things and not a lot of room for romance," he explained. "Any time people are in extreme circumstances, there have to be moments where people need physical contact and a feeling of being safe."

NOOOOO! Jack dosn't need physical contact with Ana Lucia!!! Please God no! And he'll feel safe with her because they're both alcoholics? :-/

For me it's not just that this role is being played by an actress who I really, really don't like. It's the whole idea of bringing in some new character who we don't know and don't care about at all and very likely won't warm up to and just throwing her at a character we already know and love! It's an insult to the audience. If there's going to be romance, it should logically be between characters who've already been together for the whole 40 days! Not some new person! I mean, we have the C/C and S/S but when it comes to the main characters, they have to import someone new?!

I know, I know: It's part of the age-old TV reasoning which is that you can't have your leads get together for ages, but just hint and tease the audience forever until we're all ready to throw things at the TV. One of the tried and true obstacles is introducing a new love interest for one of them and then the other party gets jealous but in the meantime the audience is yelling "No, no, no, nooooooo!" and vomiting and possibly changing the channel. I am NOT HAPPY about this at all. It just smacks of Alias Season 3 all over again - a season so bad that JJ Abrams publicly apologized for it.

God, I hope it just ends up being some flirting and that's it. Lord knows Jack could use some light moments. But if that one horrible scene in Exodus, Part 1 was any indication, this whole new "relationship" is going to be a trainwreck: out of character, badly written and also COMPLETELY UNWANTED.

So here's the poll:

Ok, once again, how do you feel about Ana Lucia?

Hate the actress, hate the character
I'd hate the character no matter who was playing her
I'm waiting to see what they do with her character
Oh, it's fantastic. I couldn't be happier about her joining the cast and being paired with Jack.

ETA: I'm trying to rack my brain and think if a late addition love interest to any dramatic show has been a good thing. Buffy? Nope. I mean, Riley was tolerable but such a placeholder. Alias? Um, no. Roswell? No. Anyone have a good example where you actually liked the new person more than the existing lead character?



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Sep. 19th, 2005 05:16 pm (UTC)
I was going to add that to my poll this week..I read that article this morning and really I was like--did I really just have to read that???

It's not even really the actress, it's the character, the way that character was presented, it totally left a bad taste in my mouth, if it had been edited to just, "I'm in the back of the plane, and it gets easier" I think it would have been easier to take.

I'm just thinking, that oh hell yes they will be getting physical (I freakin' knew that was going to happen--not a spoiler--just a feeling), but the reason, and I've said this is a cop out, that he has feelings for Kate, has some doubts on the 'trust' thing with her and that is why he would would just gets some--let's say, "satisfaction" from Ana, you know, no real ties there.

Let's face it, I'm not really a Kate fan at all, personally, I not a fan of her being with either Jack or Sawyer..but the one thing this Ana character has done, made me a tiny-itty bit-a smidgen, more on Kate's side.

I think it's just that all of a sudden this character just pops out of the blue and she's kind of thrown in the story.

But Jack really needs to take a breather though, he needs some sort of vacation from that island, and well, I'm kind of surprised that this hasn't happened earlier.
Sep. 19th, 2005 05:23 pm (UTC)
I know. A very bad taste indeed. How can they possibly think this is something the audience is going to like? Never a good idea. (As for MR, I guess they don't mind hiring actors with bad reputations, because they went ahead and hired Naveen - and both of them have readily admitted they have bad reputations so I'm not just knocking them because I don't like them.)

I do like Kate, although the Jack/Kate pairing lacks chemistry (not just because he doesn't trust her but due to bad writing and perhaps some inexperience on Evi's part), but I'm much more in favor of that than putting him with a new character strictly as some stupid plot device.

Well, in fic land they've all gotten some release already! ;-D It does need to happen on the show, but not like this. I'd much rather that they're all celibate for years and years, honestly.

I'm still hoping that Ana Lucia is introduced, causes some tension, and then is killed off in the bloodiest way possible.
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Sep. 19th, 2005 05:38 pm (UTC)
I agree that if Lost is gonna have any romance at all it should be with the established characters, but Ithink Ana Lucia would be good for Jack. He needs someone who can rile him up and call him out on all his shit cuz with the Jack/Kate realtionahip ( or Jack/anybody relationship) he seems to be the superior.
I dunno, I like Ana Lucia :p
Sep. 19th, 2005 05:42 pm (UTC)
But how would you feel if she went after Sawyer! ;-D
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Sep. 19th, 2005 05:42 pm (UTC)
Hey, what happened to the age poll, LOL?

*heavy sigh*

I'm tired of ranting about it, to be honest. It's not going to get me anywhere. All we can do is sit back and wait for her to ruin everything to see what happens.

*runs off to look at Crystal's cap of Teh Foxshy hug for the billionth time*

BTW, I'm playing hooky today. XD
Sep. 19th, 2005 05:45 pm (UTC)
Heh. Well, I saw that new article and just had to vent. I wanted to live in the land of denial for a little longer. I also don't see her fitting in with the cast - I read some article where she said she was very aware of being an outsider. And i thought you hated her too?! :-(

Yay for hooky! I'm going to go try to get RL stuff done now. Watch me go, LOL.
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Sep. 19th, 2005 05:50 pm (UTC)
GAH. I'm with Josh, why do they have to bring in these freakin' new characters and fuck everything up. I would much rather they had kept Boone then bring in these fucktwits.
Sep. 19th, 2005 05:58 pm (UTC)
Thank you, thank you! Lost hasn't exactly done a good job of using its existing characters. There were entire eps where we didn't see Shannon or Boone or Sun or Jin at all. And now they're bringing in new characters? Eh. As long as they all get killed off, I'm OK with that. Otherwise, I remain unconvinced.

I mean, it's (supposed to be) an isolated location so why not embrace that and work with it? Yeah, yeah, it's a magic island. Yada yada yada. Ok, guys, prove me wrong!
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Sep. 19th, 2005 05:54 pm (UTC)
//For me it's not just that this role is being played by an actress who I really, really don't like. It's the whole idea of bringing in some new character who we don't know and don't care about at all and very likely won't warm up to and just throwing her at a character we already know and love! //

My problem exactly. Except I REALLY REALLY hate Cynthia Watros.

I firmly believe in working with what you already have. If we’re going to lose two characters this season, characters we’ve already made connections with, why would they think we would care to pick up three more? I hope it’s not conceit on the part of the writers by thinking they can throw anything they want the viewers way and the viewers will take it gladly.

It’s not fair to the viewers and by evidence of this Josh comment, it’s not fair to the cast: //"It's painful and nerve-racking," says Josh Holloway (Sawyer) of the producers' secret hit list.. "It has changed the dynamic, and to say it hasn't is a lie. Before, it was all love and family, and now there's fear. It created a negative thing that wasn't there before. We're all watching our backs now."//
Sep. 19th, 2005 06:10 pm (UTC)
I think that quote was in relation to Boone's death last season, not bringing in new cast memebers.
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Sep. 19th, 2005 06:00 pm (UTC)
This whole Ana thing is, for some reason, really reminding me of when the character of Chiana was first introduced on "Farscape". EVERYONE hated her at first, but in the end, most people grew to like her. I'm not saying that'll happen with Ana (and you do have a point, Riley was a shit character. But in all fairness, Spike was a late addition as well, and became one of the most loved characters of the series).
Sep. 19th, 2005 06:09 pm (UTC)
Never watched Farscape. But if Ana ends up being likable, I'll be the first to admit it. But it's highly doubtful given what they've already done with her and how I feel about the actress and her limitations.

One of the reasons I think, Buffy/Spike worked is that he became an organic part of the show. He wasn't initially introduced as a love interest so our backs weren't up against him right away. (BTW, for me Season 2, with him and Drusilla as the villains - and Angelus - was the best Buffy season ever.) They had time to develop it where it didn't feel forced. Like, maybe Monica and Chandler getting together on Friends, instead of pairing them with new characters each.
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Sep. 19th, 2005 06:18 pm (UTC)
I'm pretty sure I was gonna hate her no matter who played her. But what I've seen of MR in Exodus so far made the HATE so much worse.

Oh, and are we just talking LEAD characters getting an outside love interest that's better than someone already in the picture? If not - Oz. The answer is totally Oz. You were meant to think Xander was the guy for Willow, and then here comes sweet, stoic Oz. I was sold, anyway. :)
Sep. 19th, 2005 06:27 pm (UTC)
Thank you! ;-D

Yes, Oz! Willow/Oz was actually my favorite Buffy ship, apart from Buffy/Angel (hey, I'm all about canon on that show since I never got into the fanon then and ain't about to start now.) I cried SO HARD when Oz left her. Wah! Not least because he reminded me a lot of one of my exes.

But as far as introducing a new love interest for a lead character, the kind that are usually just some sort of stalling device to keep the main characters apart, I'm still 0 for 0 in trying to think of ones that actually worked.
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Sep. 19th, 2005 06:27 pm (UTC)
I'm highly suspicious of the whole thing. It creaks of plot device, and a lame one at that. Add in an actress I don't like and that horrible introduction and voila, halfdutch ranting that won't quit, LOL!
Sep. 19th, 2005 06:30 pm (UTC)
I'm waiting to see what happens. I kinda liked her in Exodus, but we didn't see her for very long. I shall wait.

As for late additions: when Rob Lowe left The West Wing a few years back, they brought in Joshua Malina to play a new character (Will) who is hired to replace Sam (Lowe). Now it could just be that i freaking LOVE Joshua Malina (because of Sports Night mostly) but I liked Will better than Sam for the most part. (At least until Sorkin left and the show went to hell and dragged Will down with it)
Sep. 19th, 2005 06:34 pm (UTC)
You, my friend, have a much more open mind than me. ;-D

*is the queen of snap judgments*

I never got into West Wing and don't know who Joshua Malin is, but I'll take your word for it, LOL.

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Sep. 19th, 2005 08:37 pm (UTC)
Max/Tess on Roswell could have worked if the show weren't already on a downhill slide by S2 and doing everything it could to keep its viewers, up to giving in to fangirls screaming for Emilie de Ravin's blood. That's part of why I have MR's back actually, because while 'Lost' is restraining itself more to 'make her go away' and isn't nearly so agressive as the Roswell fandom got (some people were actually trying to get her work visa revoked), that shit got crazy for a while.

BUT. That's all beside the point. I think it was actually the retconning of Max/Tess to make Tess a one-note villainess and ignoring the whole 'if Max/Tess doesn't happen the world will end' storyline (which was admittedly stupid, but Roswell wasn't that great a show to begin with and they still should have worked with the hands that they had dealt themselves) that sank it. The audience felt like their intelligences were being insulted.

Which is my long-winded way of saying that I don't like Jack/Ana Lucia, but I'll wait to see how it's played. Jack is not the same man now that he was in the pilot. Surely the same goes for Ana Lucia. I want to see them fight a little bit, since it's been so widely speculated that Ana Lucia is the leader of the Tailaways, and have the kind of dominance squabbles that these folks are so good at and that I would expect from two people who have gotten really used to being in charge. In other words, I want the writers NOT to do the 'OMG SO DESTINED FOR ONE ANOTHER!' thing they pulled in Exodus.

Jaybrams is a tech-savvy whore. I'm sure he's been reading the internets this summer, has taken the reins back away from Lindelof (who only had such control 'cause Jaybrams was occupied with MI:3), and is still stinging enough from Alias S3 to watch his step. It's all about the guarded optimism.
Sep. 19th, 2005 08:59 pm (UTC)
The Max/Tess thing was one of the worst examples of 'mandated new love interest.' Bleah. That's the kind of thing that makes you want to give up on TV because of these damn story arcs that are just there to keep the main characters apart. That's what burnt me out on that show.

The thing (as you all know by now, LOL) that bugs me so much about Ana Lucia is the way she was introduced. That whole scene wasn't consistent with where Jack's character was at that point and she was such a RUDE BITCH about it. Not a way to ingratiate her to us, exactly.

See, I'm very pessimistic. I don't trust JJ. I don't think he's learned anything. He's doing the exact same thing again - he (apparently) couldn't get the actress he wanted so he crafts some lame love triangle crap and hires a (in my opinion) lousy actress for the part. I don't trust him AT ALL.

I'd rather he stay away from the show at this point, given how Alias is now unwatchable. Admittedly much of that was ABC dictating stand-alone storylines. But AUGH! (Do you watch Alias?) New characters! I never liked Lauren. I never liked Nadia - or rather I can't work up the energy to care about her one way or the other. I don't buy the instant sisterhood bond. I love new villains. That's great. Hire 'em, keep 'em around. But introducing new characters you expect us to LIKE? Very tricky. As I've said before, on Lost, they don't do justice to the characters they already have and bringing in more makes me very nervous.

I know, I should just sit back and see what they do with this but after Alias and Exodus Part I, the trust is gone, you know?
Sep. 19th, 2005 09:46 pm (UTC)
I am trying so hard not to judge the new characters before I know anything about them. I don't hate Ana Lucia as much as most people seem to beause we know next to nothing about her (except she asks really blunt questions to people that she doesn't even know). I do, however, know that I don't want her with Jack or Sawyer, or just about anyone.

I do have a lingering worry that the new characters are going to screw up my show. The way I see it is this: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Sep. 20th, 2005 04:11 am (UTC)
Well, you're a better person than me because I have no problem with pre-judging, LOL.

I have a profoundly deep worry that the new characters will screw up the show. It happened on Buffy (Dawn) and Angel (Connor) and so many other shows. *sigh* New characters are almost always not welcome news. At least they're not adding teenagers (as far as I know). That's a start.
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