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More thoughts on Lost premiere

Or, why I'm not gung-ho about it.

First of all, I've never been dying to know what's in the hatch. There are other things about the island and the characters I'd rather learn first. So it was never a priority for me.

And then the revelation really was more of an "OK. Huh," rather than "Wow. OMG!" I'm just waiting to see what they do with it and where they go now and what it means. In and of itself so far, well, it's just got the potential to be cool. I don't think it's cool yet.

The Walt appearance was definitely the most mindblowing part of the episode. It raises so many questions and it was just eerie and heartstopping and completely unexpected. That's the show I love.

I'm totally in Jack's camp, in case anyone had any doubts. ;-D Which is why I'm back to my intense dislike of Kate. She can't have Jack's back for a single second. She's just not a team player. But then again, who on the island is? I do like watching the group dynamic and the power struggles and shifting alliances. But dammit, who would trust Locke after what happened to Boone. Remember, Kate, Boone died? How quickly they forget.

I guess I should be happy that Kate isn't just "the girlfriend" and has a mind of her own but that doesn't mean I have to like her. I really disliked her after WTCMB and I don't need to like her, it's just ... I want to know more where she's coming from, still. THAT has always been of more interest to me than what's in the hatch. But I don't have a lot of confidence that when it's revealed that it'll mesh with everything we know so far. So far, she's just a patchwork character. Kind of like Evi in real life, I guess. I'm sad I don't like her anymore. :-/ And yes, that is coloring my feelings on Kate too. Dammit. I don't want to be disliking anyone on my show!

I'm in the minority in liking Jack's flashbacks. Yes, we've had lots of them already and I didn't expect we'd see the beginning of the Jack/Sarah story since we already knew she recovers and is able to walk and marries him. But Foxy totally sold it in those moments where he connected with her. "I will fix you." And then when she can move her toes. Maybe it's sappy, but it totally worked for me. And how good an actor is he, because despite OMGWTFfloppyhair! I was convinced he was younger and less sure of himself. I love that he's always struggled with leadership and how to talk to people.

My only quibble with the flashbacks is that they're not realistic to how memories work in real life. When we think of something that happened long ago during some current stressful situation, we might go back to any number of incidents in our lives. But not a series of unfolding, related incidents over the course of a day or so. I mean, would he be thinking of Sarah and her recovery all through this business with the hatch? Doubtful. But hey, that's a TV convention and I'm not getting hung up on it. Just maybe that's one of the reasons viewers can get tired of the flashbacks. Because at a certain point, the lesson they're illustrating is just too pat - especially as taken as part of an entire backstory. Individual, unrelated memories would be more realistic, but not serve the same storytelling purpose of course. And damn, I could have said that much more succinctly.

In conclusion: Hmmm. I wasn't as blown away as I'd hoped for. I'm disappointed and sad that I'm out of step with fandom now, I guess.

I hope next week is better, mostly because SAWYER! Again, I've always cared more about the rafters than the hatch. And when I tuned in ABC for Lost, the last few minutes of "Destination Lost" were playing and how telling that they reversed the order of the finale. Hatch, then raft. Because the raft was the more dramatic storyline.

The hatch (despite guns being drawn) - just isn't that dramatic. So far. :-/


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Sep. 22nd, 2005 06:18 pm (UTC)
And then the revelation really was more of an "OK. Huh," rather than "Wow. OMG!"

Here's the thing for me: I figured out it was Desmond back when he was talking to Jack in the stadium. The thing that made me go all "WOW OMG!" was the way it was presented. Starting the episode down in the hacth like that and making us all try and figure out A)who it was and B)what the hell was going on (and if we were on the right channel was what really really impressed me.
Sep. 22nd, 2005 06:33 pm (UTC)
I just wasn't impressed. Puzzled, more like. Curious even. But not particularly impressed.
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Sep. 22nd, 2005 06:22 pm (UTC)
I've been saying that someone needs to have Jack's back, and Kate just isn't the one to do that, I'll admit it, I really am not a fan of hers at all anyway, so I'm totally not surprised that she did that..she has to be involved with everything and this time she just couldn't hold back, no, it was just a little too much for Jack to ask for..sorry if that sounds like a rant, but I've been saying that since the first season anyway.

I like the Jack flashbacks, I really like them, I like to see just why he seems so complex, what made him that reluctant leader, I hope they show more of them.

I understand what you are saying though about the flashbacks, usually they aren't linear, usually they come out of order rather than in order.
Sep. 22nd, 2005 06:32 pm (UTC)
It's all about Jack! Except when it's all about Sawyer. ;-D

Can't wait for next week's ep. Then I hope the show will be firing on all cylinders for me again.

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Sep. 22nd, 2005 06:30 pm (UTC)
OMG, thank you for letting me know I'm not alone on this!! All night I'd been trying to put my finger on why it just wasn't working for me when everyone else seemed so blown away. You're right - I wasn't feeling the suspense so much in the hatch. It was odd and unsettling and all, but I don't know. I guess my mind's still out at sea with the rafters.

So next week I hope all will be better.

I'm OK. Ridiculouly bummed that I didn't dig the premiere more. :-/

Sep. 22nd, 2005 06:42 pm (UTC)
Someone else has said that it was a housecleaning episode, and I think I agree with that. A lot of my excitement is about seeing how this is going to unfold over the season, because the implications are HUGE.

ITA on Kate. She...she can't follow a leader based on principle. It's about who she personally likes best at the moment, or otherwise her issues with authority come into play. This puts her into an incredibly tricky position, as Locke is all about having a personal thrall over people.

Which is why Jack should just give up and accept Sawyer and Hurley as his lieutenants (though admittedly Sawyer has...bonuses...that I really don't want to think about Jack doing with Hurley). Because Hurley, mental illness or not, is still about the most level headed person on that island, and Sawyer was accepting Jack as leader long before the seeds of a personal friendship were sown with him in Exodus.
Sep. 22nd, 2005 07:04 pm (UTC)
Ahhh, thank you for easing my mind here. It makes me feel so much better to know that others are more in a wait and see mode like me than 'OMG, that was the most amazing thing ever.'

I can't get excited about the hatch yet. I'm hoping to be blown away eventually. But for now, it's like being taken to an empty lot and being told to imagine what's going to be built there soon. I guess I have no faith, LOL! I'll believe it when I see it. ;D

I ABSOLUTELY want Jack to turn to Sawyer and Hurley. Hurley is so often the only one who is practical and making sense and looking at the big picture. Jack gets that intense, laserlike focus and he just loses sight of the big picture all the time. And he takes things so personally. (No wonder I relate to him so much. ;-D) Which makes him a kickass leader at times and other times very compromised.

Of COURSE a Sawyer/Jack team would make me very, very happy. If we don't get the hot jungle sex, then at least friendship. And if not friendship, at least trust and seeing eye to eye on who else can be trusted and who can't be. Because Sawyer would *never* trust Locke. Why Kate does, I don't really get. The main players are all opportunists, in their own way. Except Jack, who I think really does just care about the general welfare and making everything OK. Or, if it's not OK, then seeing that justice is done.

Sep. 22nd, 2005 07:28 pm (UTC)
No, you're not alone in this. I've felt so... *strange* ever since my 3 a.m. rant, just really off-kilter. I guess it's a kind of hangover, after all the excitement yesterday. The Walt moment was spot-on; *that's* my show and that's the kind of thing I adore. And all the different character dynamics are my crack. But the hatch thing...I keep chewing on that and chewing on it, and it just bothers me. I love the hippie music and I love the dude being quarantined down there; I think that has the potential to be a really intriguing plotline. But I felt totally disoriented when Jack went into that control room. I thought, "They've taken my Jack out of Lost and dropped him into Alias or the X-Files or something." Yeah, disoriented is the word I've been looking for. So, since Ep. 3 is called "Orientation," maybe the way I'm feeling now is what the writers intended, and they'll set things to rights in a couple of weeks.

I'm thinking I'm going to like the raftee story better, because I'm assuming it'll still be all about the character dynamics and roughing it on the Island...and Sawyer. >:) Something about them potentially having access to a shower back at base camp is bothering me tremendously, for some ridiculous reason.
Sep. 22nd, 2005 08:18 pm (UTC)
I agree. I totally thought of Alias when Jack went into the hatch. Not that that's necessarily wrong - it was disorienting for the character too, after all. But hmm. I'm still sorting it out. I think this was just laying the groundwork for a future payoff, not a payoff in itself. Not for me, anyway.

Yes, I'm anticipating the raft story much more. Much, much more! It's just inherently more dramatic! Ooh, I hope it's good and there's some tension and suspense and they don't make it all better right away. That would disappoint me if they got out of it too quickly.

They'll need to explain the shower, definitely! Did Michael ever succeed in rigging up a shower system at the camp? They never showed it if he did.
Sep. 22nd, 2005 07:37 pm (UTC)
I will not read spoilers i will not read spoilers I will not read spoilers

lol i did read the last two paragraphs and yes I was more excited when i woke up to get online and download the trailer for next ep then the hatch storyline.
Sep. 22nd, 2005 08:19 pm (UTC)
Awww! I hope you get to DL the whole episode! I don't know why they can't just show a series around the world at the same time.
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Sep. 22nd, 2005 08:22 pm (UTC)
I figured out who was in the hatch as soon as they showed him in the stadium, so obviously I didn't have the 'Oh WOW!' moment that some people had. I think maybe we don't know enough yet for it to be 'Oh WOW!'. I'm hoping that in the future that part of the story will get better. And I never really cared about the hatch either. I actually would have been perfectly happy if we had never found out what was inside.
And I liked the flashbacks also. I like the awkward, struggling new-doctor Jack. In my vast experience with surgeons, young surgeons usually have a tendency to be a bit colder and to the point and no-nonsense. He was still getting his feet wet, and I also think he needed someone in his life (Sarah) to loosen him up a bit. To teach him how to be more human and less robot-doctor.

I never have truly liked Kate. After watching the 1st season a second time I was able to tolerate her more, but I don't trust her and I think she's using Jack because he's in a position on leadership and will protect her. She goes from this manipulative, cold criminal to a weepy little girl so quickly that it smacks of insincerity.

And I completely agree that the flashback, to be more realistic, would need to be less linear. However, I know they are doing it to serve the flow of the story. Besides, there is no way with the hiatuses and weekly gaps in episodes that most people would be able to keep up with the story if it was even more disjointed than it already is. I actually think it would be interesting to have to piece it together, but I know most people wouldn't have the patience for it. I think that's one of the reasons Twin Peaks went off the air so quickly. Most people just didn't get it and they didn't want to take the energy to try to figure it out.
Sep. 22nd, 2005 09:29 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I should have figured that Desmond would be the guy in the hatch. But then I figured it was just the usual 'random guy with insightful thing to say at just the right moment' in the flashback so it didn't seem that odd that he'd pop up and never be seen again either. The reveal just wasn't as good as the best Lost has to offer. It might still pay off, but the moment for me didn't have the kick that Locke in a wheelchair did or the numbers being on the hatch.

Kate is completely manipulative. She's still not really a character, just a blank canvas they keep repainting with each episode. It's funny because this show likes to start with stereotypes -- bitchy rich girl, asshole con man, heroic doc -- and then turn them on their head. She started off as sweet likable girl and now they're trying to give her depth and it feels wrong. I'm accepting the extra layers and flaws in Jack partly because Foxy is 20 times the actor Evi is, but also because we know his story and hers is so deliberately hazy as to be completely annoying. You can't have a character arc if you don't have a starting point.

Nonlinear or unrelated flashbacks wouldn't fly, I know. They'd be too surreal and hard to follow. I'm OK with the flashbacks. Occasionally, I prefer them to what's going on on the island. It's part of the show and it does make it a richer experience. Because as I said, I'm more about the characters than the island mysteries. I wish they'd keep to the characters they have though, rather than introducing new ones. :-/

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Sep. 22nd, 2005 09:30 pm (UTC)
Hmmm. I doubt they'd bring her to the island that way. Probably just a resemblance. I'm 99.9% sure that's not Sarah. Because that would strain believability just a little too much!
Sep. 22nd, 2005 09:24 pm (UTC)
See what happens when Jack and Sawyer aren't in vicinity of each other?!?! Things just fall apart!

I agree with you about how memories don't work themselves out in sequence. I know for myself I remember things in bits and pieces and at random. I only remember things in sequence when I'm telling someone else about it, y'know? It's strange that these people don't really remember good things that have happened in their lives....I guess that's not exactly correct: good memories eventually turn to crap (a la Kate and Tom or Jack and Sarah).

I think I like Jack's flashbacks because....well, out of all the characters, I think his have been the most fleshed out without giving everything and the kitchen sink away or not giving enough about his character (*eyes Kate*). I do have some quibbles about his past but seriously, out of all the characters on that island, his have been the most interesting to me. Sawyer comes a close second. Charlie's have been cheesy, Micheal's was boring, Hurley's was funny and sad but only one episode? WTF?, same with Claire and Shannon, Locke's just weird, Sayid's I could care less about, Jin and Sun started out interesting but got annoying, and Kate's just WTF?

OK, I'll shut up now.
Sep. 22nd, 2005 09:35 pm (UTC)
See what happens when Jack and Sawyer aren't in vicinity of each other?!?! Things just fall apart!

So true!!!

I agree with your backstory assessments, for the most part. Jack and Sawyer absolutely have the best flashbacks. I loved Locke's first episode but the second one suffered badly from bad retro-fitting (bad wig! parents his same age!) and then I didn't really buy the whole kidney scam either. I actually preferred Boone's flashback to what happened on the island that episode. Incest!! ;-D Hurley's was good, even if the tone was more comical.

But the rest - yeah, boring or stupid or pointless. Man, Charlie's are the WORST! Eeep! If one more person ends having been a con man pre-island I'll vomit!

Kate, Kate, Kate. Will we ever find out what you did? And when we finally do, will we still care by that point? I am continually forgetting Claire is even on the show - as are the producers, apparently! And we haven't gotten a Shannon fb yet - that could be interesting as she's become much more intriguing to me lately. Opposite arc of Kate, that's for sure!
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Sep. 22nd, 2005 10:03 pm (UTC)
The Walt appearance was definitely the most mindblowing part of the episode. It raises so many questions and it was just eerie and heartstopping and completely unexpected. That's the show I love.

Exactly what I thought. I was way more interested in that than in everything else that happened.

I'm also with you on the fact that the raft story was way more interesting than the hatch. I thought that the image of Michael screaming for Walt whilst the raft burned behind him made a way better final image for series one than the looking down the hatch thing..

I have major issues with the character of Kate. It really bugs me that they constantly flip her between being strong(ish) and independant and just..well girly I suppose (brain is malfunctioning right now, hence crap word choice) I really wish that they would pick one and stick with it. Heaven knows the show needs a strong female character - but then I also think it needs some females on the writing staff.

All in all tho, I did enjoy it - I just think I am going to enjoy next weeks ep waaaay more.
Sep. 22nd, 2005 10:21 pm (UTC)
Yes, the raft pwns the hatch - up, down and sideways. For now, anyway.

Kate isn't a character but a series of conflicting character sketches. :-/

Yes, this was fine, it just wasn't up to the best Lost has had to offer in the past. Next week promises to be much more eventful and memorable. I hope!
Sep. 22nd, 2005 10:25 pm (UTC)
I agree about the flashbacks... I mean, who operates on someone for 10-12 hrs. and then goes to run a Tour de Stad? And then goes back and teaches the woman that he thinks he didn't fix, the parapaligic a nice new term that she'll never do? It just didn't fit the time frame.

I don't know. I like Jack, I really do, I just didn't like the flashbacks and how they made Jack seem.

Ok, I promise to stop ranting in your LJ now. Not another word.
Sep. 22nd, 2005 10:32 pm (UTC)
Heh. I like Jack in the flashbacks. I love him being intense and tortured, even with bad hair, LOL. ;-D And I think for once the flashbacks did help illuminate what was going on with his character on the island.

And OMG< I want new Jack icons!
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Sep. 23rd, 2005 01:39 am (UTC)
I was pretty blown away :) But I'm easy to please. Did you hear about the numbers being everywhere down in there (typing them into the computer, on the drug bottles)? I just read it in Cleo's recap. o.O
Sep. 23rd, 2005 02:03 am (UTC)
I did read Cleo's recap, finally. I wasn't reading all the spec at first because I just didn't care. :-/ But I'm getting back on board now.

But of course I'm glad the show's back. Next week: Sawyer! (Presumably! At least a little!)

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