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Lost review: "Orientation"

Checking in from the West Coast with my Lost review.

And the teasing and non-answers continue.

The good: Sawyer being so very Han Solo even while wounded. Go, I'veGotaCunningPlan!Sawyer! Yay for another Jack Man!Crying session. Hurley finding the food. Desmond isn't really a nutter. Kate finding the gun stash. Finally *something* happening in the hatch.

The bad: Another boring and rather pointless backstory. Did nothing for me. I did other stuff while it was on - something I've never done during Lost! Katey Segal, do not collect Emmy, do not pass GO. We were so close to Jack saying what happened to Sarah and then - nah! Because we have to save it for another backstory. And we have to wait to find out how Locke was paralyzed. Jack just letting Desmond go. He's only got answers, dude! *sigh* Maybe he can stumble into Danielle's lair and be her new love slave.

The meh: Because I was mildly spoiled and specced, Ana Lucia's true status was no surprise to me. At least Sawyer (who is really the smartest guy on the island lately since he's the only one bothering to question appearances and form conclusions), was suspicious, just not in time.

I don't really get Jack's behavior here through the whole episode. I love him despite (or because of) the whole Testy Manbitch thing (TM ficangel?) This whole 'faith vs science' thing is starting to be like the 'beach vs. cave' thing -- a totally arbitrary way to split camps that seems like life and death to the characters and a big fat 'Wha?' to the audience. I don't buy that Jack would act like that -- why not push the damn button and sort it out later? Why make it this big 'blue wire/red wire' moment except for the sake of TV drama? It's just spackling the show's themes into the drama in a very slapdash way. Why wouldn't Jack admit he'd met Desmond? What's the big deal? Then he'd have to admit to the existence of miracles or at least coincidence? Or dredge up memories of how he lost Sarah? Maybe it involved pushing a button. *snerk* Oh, I'm not knocking the Man!Crying but I hate them sitting on things like this. I actually really wanted a Jack flashback right then. Becuse, unlike going into the hatch, that's when he WOULD be thinking about Sarah.

Up in the air: Ana Lucia. Too early to call. So far nothing we haven't already seen from MR 20 times before.


My grade: Hovering between 2.5 and 3 stars. I'm tough! I admit it!

Next week: Jin speaks perfect English? Jack sees Kate in the shower. Oh, the Jaters must be going nuts! LOL. I expect an avalanche of Jate shower porn. *dammit, Sawyer, get your ass to the hatch!* And will there also be Desmond/Calvin slash now, heh?


ETA: I think one of my main problems is that they're forcing the Locke/Jack showdown too soon. Over a button. It just doesn't carry the drama it should. And it's all theoretical what the button does at this point anyway. I just can't see them going toe to toe over this, and not right now. So far we're getting Jack challenging Locke at every turn and vice versa but I was expecting more of a gradual build up of hostility and then a big blowout. I'm already tired of this petty back and forth bickering. Plus, we're not only getting that from Locke and Jack but from Michael and Sawyer. ENOUGH BICKERING! It's getting on my nerves. I get enough of that in RL, thanks. ;-D

Right now Locke vs. Jack doesn't feel like the big ideological battle they mean it to be. There's not enough at stake, not enough weight. No one else has taken sides. It's just the two of them pissing on each other. It's just a personal clash and I'd like it to be about more than that. They much too obviously are forcing it to be 'faith vs. science' but I'm not feeling it yet.

And the closed locations are starting to get to me too. I'm already tired of the hatch, especially since we've seen the same scene three times now. Last week, the raft scene went on too long and focused on the wrong things. It should have been more OMG, SHARK! and less "No, it's your fault." I want life and death drama, not petty name calling. OK, tonight the raftaways portion would have been nice and dramatic but I should stop reading any press because I knew exactly how that was going to play out. Adebisi hitting Sawyer in the opening minutes, was shocking though. Made me jump!


ETA #2: Someone who agrees with me

Comments

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philomel
Oct. 6th, 2005 05:37 am (UTC)
Kate was definitely badass with the guns. I like.

Because I was mildly spoiled and specced, Ana Lucia's true status was no surprise to me.

This proves to me that I need to continue avoiding spoilers, because I was rather surprised. In fact, I didn't even know this was a Locke episode until it aired.

I really didn't expect Jack to push the button. Seems out of character. And I thought Sayid or someone else would just push it out of frustration from waiting. Stupid button. Walt was right: button's bad. *executes the execute button*

And will there also be Desmond/Calvin slash now, heh?

Only if Calvin was pretty. :)
halfdutch
Oct. 6th, 2005 05:56 am (UTC)
Kate + gun = a good thing. And Sawyer + gun too. Hell, give *everyone* a gun! ;-D Yay!

Maybe we'll get a picture of Calvin and he'll have lovely golden curls or something.

Button, button, who's got the button? What is it next week, Hurley ep? I'm going to play a new game. Each week I'm going to guess that the flashbackee paralyzed Locke.




eponine119
Oct. 6th, 2005 05:47 am (UTC)
Desmond as Danielle's new love slave: BWAH! Hilarious!

I think Jin speaking English will be some kind of dream/fantasy/not real thing.

As for Jack, I think he's having another breakdown, like the one he had when he went after Ethan and the one after Boone died. He's beyond terrified because this guy he met before just happens to be in the hatch. And while it plays weird, I can kind of get that, especially from Mr. Logical Jack.
halfdutch
Oct. 6th, 2005 06:00 am (UTC)
I see I'm not alone in pairing Desmond and Danielle in "crazy, no really CRAZY jungle sex." Except that's not something I want to read, ya know?

Yes, Jin's English will probably be like the Shannon bondage - a side effect of wacky head paste or something.

I think Jack would be everyone's safety over the whole 'faith vs. science' debate. I'm sure Jack haters had a field day with this ep. I love him but I was getting kind of tired of his making everything about that tonight.
demonqueen666
Oct. 6th, 2005 05:51 am (UTC)
Y'know, there was this sci-fi story I read once...a bunch of orphan kids got put into this endless 3D maze room of stairs that led to nowhere. And there was a machine in there that was their only source of food. At first, it would give them food for a simple action, like sticking out their tongues, but eventually they had to do this whole complicated ritual to get it to give them food. And then it changed so that whenever it flashed these lights and set off an alarm, they had to do their ritual, or they wouldn't get any food. At the end it turned out it was all an elaborate experiment in behavior modification.

I dunno, for some reason the whole situation with the hatch, Desmond, the countdown, and the button reminds me of this.
halfdutch
Oct. 6th, 2005 06:03 am (UTC)
You know, that's very appropriate.

B.F. Skinner, who was mentioned in the film, was a behavioral scientist who - oh god, it's been so long - wanted to raise children and boxes and see how they turned out. Something along those lines, if I recall that at all correctly.

But when I'm kind of meh on an episode I'm not making with the theories right away. I have to spend a bit more time wondering why the characters were acting like that and what I want from the show at this point.
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foxygirl33
Oct. 6th, 2005 06:24 am (UTC)
Oh, the Jaters must be going nuts! LOL.
Yeah, said Jater checking in from the Westcoast as well. Normally I'd be jumping up and down about such a development, but I'm just not "feeling it". :(

Your review pretty much summed it up for me. What's missing? I WANT to feel something, dammit! *sob* I'm not getting the LOST high like I used to... *sniff*

Sawyer was hot and badass... love that. Jack was all over the emotional range, but somehow, I feel like some cohesive, integral part of the storytelling is missing... can't put my finger on it. Meh. I hope it starts to pick up a little.

Couldn't have said it better myself:

The whole 'faith vs science' thing is starting to be like the 'beach vs. cave' thing -- a totally arbitrary way to split camps that seems like life and death to the characters and a big fat 'Wha?' to the audience. I don't buy that Jack would act like that -- why not push the damn button and sort it out later? Why make it this big 'blue wire/red wire' moment except for the sake of TV drama?
halfdutch
Oct. 6th, 2005 06:30 am (UTC)
*glomps you hard*

It's always so weird when you get done watching an ep and are rather meh and go online and find people saying it's so amazing. So THANK YOU for joining me in my West Coast cynicism.

Not that I want to be cynical. But yeah, something is just off. They're asking us to take too much on faith, I guess. LOL. ;-D

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rogueapprentice
Oct. 6th, 2005 06:51 am (UTC)
Jack sees Kate in the shower. Oh, the Jaters must be going nuts!

Hey. We deserve it. *Sticks tongue out immaturely*
halfdutch
Oct. 6th, 2005 08:02 am (UTC)
Hey, I'm not begrudging you that. But Jack's going to be busy nagging monitoring Locke to get busy with Kate. Oy, the man needs to loosen up!
lolathehated
Oct. 6th, 2005 07:45 am (UTC)
i heart you.

and:

OMGWTFJIN?!?!?!.


holy shit. i seriously swore VERY loudly. i.m thinking it is one of those wacky paste-y things. but. still. OMGWTFJINENGLISH?!?!?
halfdutch
Oct. 6th, 2005 08:03 am (UTC)
*kisses*

Yeah, I don't think the Jin thing will end up being real. We're onto you guys! ;-D

missdarksoul
Oct. 6th, 2005 11:22 am (UTC)
I'm still not competly convinced that it was Jin speaking english lol, mainly because they mad eit clear he had no clue in in tranlation maybe its one of the weird island powers like no waterlogged books. I hope we can get through one episode thsi season without Sawyer getting hurt in someway. I mean come on give the poor guy a break
halfdutch
Oct. 6th, 2005 06:27 pm (UTC)
I don't think Jin speaking English will be on the level.

As for Sawyer getting hurt - that feeds my hurt/comfort kink so even though it's not fair, not at all, it just makes me want to go comfort him. But yeah, they probably should lay off, esp. with Jack not able to take care of him!
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mediocrechick
Oct. 6th, 2005 11:57 am (UTC)
The first time seeing Kate loading that gun was cool.....after that, she got on my nerves. That last line she said (Just do it, Jack!) is sealed the deal with me in this episode. And as for that supposed shower scene next week, yeah, I doubt anything heavy will happen. Probably something along the lines of "Are you checking me out?" will happen (i.e. something stupid). But it would be cool to see Jack let down his guard and just let loose if he saw OMG!hot girl!halfnaked! But oh well. *shrugs* I'm not too keen on seeing Jack with anyone besides Sawyer....you know me, it's slash! slash! slash!

Adebisi was just too creepy. I almost shit in my pants when he thrust that knife at Sawyer and then just casually went out of frame. I don't know how Jin managed to escape from that mofo.

And I agree with you: ENOUGH BICKERING!!!!! AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF THAT HATCH, FOR CHIRST SAKE!

halfdutch
Oct. 6th, 2005 09:50 pm (UTC)
Hee. I don't actually expect slash on the show. Subtext is good, but with Jack and Sawyer split up for half the season, not much chance of that.

Adebisi would put the fear of god in anyone. Man is formidable - even if you never watched Oz. (Which I did!)

I am thoroughly over the hatch at this point. Let the showering and snacking commence, however! ;-D

What would Sawyer think when he saw all those books?!
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halfdutch
Oct. 6th, 2005 09:54 pm (UTC)
I'm not opposed to faith vs. science per se, but the hamhanded way it's been presented so far is not going over well on my end. It's too much, too soon. Save the drama, you big drama queens! LOL. Jack and Locke are such the testy manbitches, lately aren't they?

Yes, I'm glad there isn't one HIM. I suppose. I mean, I don't mind *what* the show does in a way, as long as it works. The whole juxtaposition of Boone dying and Claire giving birth in the same episode was rather cheesy but I loved that episode so much I absolutely cut them some slack there.

I don't mind island magic, as long as it doesn't give us sloppy storytelling. Ultimately for me, this show is about the characters and not the island and that's why I'm feeling less than thrilled because the island is kind of the star right now.





ficangel
Oct. 6th, 2005 01:32 pm (UTC)
I can agree somewhat that the Locke/Jack showdown is being pushed before its ready, but I didn't really have a problem with Jack last night. I thought he wanted very badly to be a man of faith, but was hanging on to rationality with a white-knuckled grip and was doing everything that he could to ignore Desmond and Desmond's connection to the great miracle (possibly revoked, since I don't think Sarah is alive) of his life.

As to letting Desmond go and leaving Desmond alone to scamper around the hatch like a schizophrenic squirrel, the only defense that I can offer is that these people are really bad soldiers. Even month and a half is not enough to erase all those civilian instincts, so if Desmond is not proving himself to be an immediate threat and Jack is already shaken to begin with, he's probably going to flash back to how badly the Sawyer torture session went because they were moving recklessly and let Desmond go on his way. If Desmond's behavior was more of someone scared than someone hostile and he couldn't explain why he needed to push the button other than the video telling him to, then it was probably best to just take the risk of letting him roam and avoid a Lord of the Flies situation.
halfdutch
Oct. 6th, 2005 10:01 pm (UTC)
I can see what they were trying to do with Jack but honestly all episode long I was like, "What is his PROBLEM?"

I just read an interesting post that this ep was about tilting the balance to Locke's side, therefore Jack had to be an uptight manbitch for a full hour to get us to sympathize with Locke more, since, presumably, we've previously all been on Jack's side what with *his* daddy issues and all. Interesting point and the ep *did* feel heavyhanded to me. I missed the natural flow of things without sticky writers' hands in there forcing events in a certain direction.

The whole showdown over the button was silly. What are they going to do when something really important needs to be decided? It's getting to be like all those apocalypses on Buffy. After a while, it's like crying wolf, dramatically and we won't care because they've already blown their wad.

But I'm hoping the island-heavy plotting will be out of the way soon and more (good) characterization can come back in.

(Meta post to follow soon.)

lillyjk
Oct. 6th, 2005 02:28 pm (UTC)
I still hate Ana Lucia with a blind burning passion...and did anybody else think it was funny that Jack and Locke just sat down to watch that film with no concern for what the madman who was just recently threatening to shoot them was doing.

that film, creepy - total flashback to elementary school.

the thing that freaked me out the most about this entire episode was English speaking Jin (which shouldn't suprise me as Daniel Dae Kim is actually English speaking)

oh, and YAY for Sayid (even though he was horribly underused)
halfdutch
Oct. 6th, 2005 10:05 pm (UTC)
Oddly enough, I'm not HATING Ana Lucia. I'm in my very behaved best wait and see mode. I was spoilered about her being a leader and her punching Sawyer so my outrage there had already been spent. And then I was too busy hating Michael to keep hating her. Only room for one "most hated" Lost character per week here!

We shall see what the deal is with Jin. It would really strain believability that he's been faking all along through times of such trauma and stress and near-death.

You know I'm not the world's biggest fan of Sayid but the show has really done him a disservice, shuffling him off to the side since oh, midseason last year. I didn't like his last backstory either, poor guy. I don't think he has fans in the writers' room, maybe. Any theories?

arabella_hope
Oct. 6th, 2005 04:40 pm (UTC)
I was definetly let down by the Locke flashbacks...he just seemed to be extremely pathetic and obsessive. I think the showdown over the button was ludicris too. But I am glad that Locke tried to make it a 'teamwork' thing. I have a feeling that now that Jack finally accepted his 'leadership' position, it's now difficult for him to share it with Locke.

But yeah, they were behaving like a bunch of babies...which one of us wouldn't have gone all The Ring-like and reached through our screens to either push the damn thing or slap the hell outta Jack and Locke?

I'm getting tired of our castaways...I want either a claire flashback where she's partying it up or something, or one from the 'others'...And what the hell about Sun? Has anyone even seen her in awhile? Doesn't she miss her hubby?
halfdutch
Oct. 7th, 2005 02:09 am (UTC)
I didn't get invested in this backstory. I guess they'll never top the big reveal of Walkabout and I should just let that sink in!

I'm not sure that Locke was trying to make it a teamwork thing. I think he's swallowed the island/dharma Kool-Aid and is willing to blindly follow the rules and he doesn't want anyone to disobey. I wasn't getting a real fraternal feeling from him there.

The whole standoff over the button was silly, frankly. I still love these characters, but yeah, I wouldn't mind some Sun shining in again! ;-D

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alliecat8
Oct. 6th, 2005 04:49 pm (UTC)
I'm disappointed that you're disappointed, cuz I wanted to come over here and squee, LOL! :D I'm really fired up over the idea of it all being a gigantic experiment. I know that was one of the theories floating around out there, and it was probably my favorite one, so I'm really happy that's the direction they're going in.

"I don't buy that Jack would act like that -- why not push the damn button and sort it out later?"

I think that's the conclusion he finally reached in the end; just push it already and he's got 108 more minutes to evaluate the situation. But he hesitated because it was *Locke* who was telling him to do it, and his pride was holding him back. Jack gets nothing but sympathy from me after last night's episode.
halfdutch
Oct. 7th, 2005 02:11 am (UTC)
*pets*

I'm sorry! I just don't care all that much about the island mysteries. I want more character stuff! And not these pointless backstories! *sigh*

Soon, I hope, it will all be clicking again for me and we can squee together!

I still love Jack liek whoa but he was being kind of a pain in the ass, LOL. But when he broke down, of course that really got to me. Foxy always brings the angst! ;-D
julissak01
Oct. 6th, 2005 07:17 pm (UTC)
*let's ignore the deleted comment before this, 'k? I was trying to catch up in an RPG I was a part of during the summer, and am failing miserably* *cough* Tres stupid, I am. *palmface*

Hovering between 2.5 and 3 stars. I'm tough! I admit it!

*smacks head against the wall* So am I, dammit. It's just that we have so many freakin' expectations for this show... *sigh*

I think one of my main problems is that they're forcing the Locke/Jack showdown too soon.

Ditto. It doesn't feel right cramming it into the first few eps--it feels rushed, where it could be fleshed out over a longer period of time. It also feels like mid-season two material. For the season final, even. Not to say that I'm not enjoying the debate now, it's just sorta...not fitting in the way I thought it would.
halfdutch
Oct. 7th, 2005 02:13 am (UTC)
Ha, I was like, 'Wow, a random new reader. Cool!' So that's one Lost mystery solved, 107 left to go!

ITA - they should be saving the big guns for later on. We'll see. Now that I've ranted and moaned I feel better and more hopeful. That always seems to be the case.
belleimani
Oct. 10th, 2005 11:52 pm (UTC)
See I haven't been watching at all so I rely on you to let me know when it becomes worthy of my interest again.
So far?
Not so much.
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