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So, if you've seen those clips of Ana Lucia abusing our poor boy Sawyer, that's pretty extreme. Grinding her foot into his open wound - his open gunshot wound? And hitting him again and throwing rocks at his head. *pets Sawyer*

See, here's my question. (As I was saying to deej240z.) Right now, she's a villain. Who could possibly like her, unless you hate Sawyer? Sure, they'll try to redeem her or explain why she's such a beeyotch in her inevitable backstory because they delight in presenting someone one way and then turning them around. Like Sawyer- he was a grade-A asshole at first. But he never put anyone's life in danger. And we knew from the beginning that he was a big softie inside. So ... how on earth can they possibly make her likable or sympathetic after this? Good luck pulling that off, writers.

Let's assume that they march the castaways back into camp. Jack sees Sawyer's been mistreated and even if canon Jack doesn't *love* Sawyer, he at the very least should be outraged. Sawyer is still one of his people and Jack doesn't like his people being messed with. He might have been pleasantly surprised to see Ana Lucia again under different circs but if she's been endangering Sawyer's life -- again, good luck getting Jack to think that's a good idea at this point.

They've been hinting about a Jack/Ana Lucia hookup. *groan* So how are they going to make her likable/sympathetic to Jack? Either through a very slow process of redeeming her or else maybe *she* gets terribly injured and has to be treated by Dr. Jack. Or it's the hate sex? On ABC? *sigh* I cannot believe he'd ever give her the time of day, based on her behavior so far. But then again, I thought he'd tell her to fuck off at the bar too.

Oh, and if you haven't read it yet, here's a lovely scenario of Jack and Sawyer being reunited that works with new canon:
Linger by holycitygirl

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ficangel
Oct. 12th, 2005 05:07 pm (UTC)
Oh, yeah, Jack and Ana Lucia are going to fight. Even if Sawyer weren't involved or if Jack and Sawyer hadn't reached a place by the finale where Jack trusts Sawyer enough to consider him one of his people, Jack and Ana Lucia are both alpha personalities who are accustomed to being leaders in a situation that encourages cults of charisma and discourages level-headed democracy. It's inevitable.

I think that Ana Lucia is going to be softened when we get 'The Other 48 Days'-ep. 7 or 8, right? We're going to see what these people have been going through since their arrival on Craphole Island that's made them so fierce and it's going to turn out to be a Con Man situation that just FUBARed itself all to hell before anyone really had a chance to stop it.
halfdutch
Oct. 12th, 2005 05:11 pm (UTC)
Oh, yeah, Jack and Ana Lucia are going to fight.

OMG, I hope Jack beats the living CRAP out of her. *takes that literally* Someone has to.

Unless it was 24/7 rape and pillage on the other side of the island, nothing's Ana Lucia has done can be justified so far. Taking prisoners and asking questions. OK, that's fine. But she's really crossed the line with Sawyer and I'm not just saying that as a fangirl.

She and Sayid would be perfect for each other. *still hopes for an Ana Lucia/Sayid hookup to remove them both from the dating pool*



foxxcub
Oct. 12th, 2005 05:09 pm (UTC)
Oh, I'm sure she's got daddy issues like everyone else. She's obviously a badass and probably has control issues just like Jack (I mean c'mon, if she's the tailies leader, then DUH), and while her backstory cannot possibly anywhere near the angsty and poigancy of Sawyer's, I'm sure they'll try to redeem her but good. They already hinted that she's lost someone ala Jack, so that will most likely come into play.

Oddly enough, I've refrained from watching the promos. Look at me being a spoiler virgin! :P
halfdutch
Oct. 12th, 2005 05:15 pm (UTC)
The day they make me care about or like Ana Lucia is the day you must search my basement for a big ol' pod.

It ain't gonna happen, not matter WHAT she's been through. Jesus, what if they keep it a big mystery like Kate? *sigh* That'll be just what we need. *is suddenly pessimistic again over the reality of AL being on the show* If only she were a guest star, I'd be OK with it. But knowing they have to incorporate her into the everyday stuff ...*cries*

Wow, no promos for you? Who knew?


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foxygirl33
Oct. 12th, 2005 05:15 pm (UTC)

But then again, I thought he'd tell her to fuck off at the bar too.

Ohmygod! Me too! I kept thinking there's no way he'd be attracted to someone so abrasive and cleary unaware of personal boundaries. *groan* I so don't want to see them together. Ack.

Lovely, lovely fic by Holycitygirl... *bides time till we see the real thing (infirmarylove!) with the good doc and Sawyer*
halfdutch
Oct. 12th, 2005 05:28 pm (UTC)
I know. *sigh* I was willing to chalk that up to bad writing and a real off day for the writers (and Foxy, for not saying - 'Hey, this is totally out of character for Jack here.') But they have fully committed to making her a hateful bitch right out of the gate and no way they're turning that around. Just no way. I was prepared to like her, given my ebbing fondness for Kate, but this is really a lot to overcome.

Yes! Wonderful fic. And bring on the Infirmary!love! Wooo! Dammit, why can't AL just disappear back into the jungle now and leave Jack and Sawyer alone, kthx?
thatsaid
Oct. 12th, 2005 05:20 pm (UTC)
Ooh, I haven't stubled upon any promo clips yet. Got any links?

Sawyer is REALLY not having a good season so far. Leave him alone, writers! >:(
halfdutch
Oct. 12th, 2005 05:25 pm (UTC)
txvoodoo has them up. She always has the Lost goods! ;-D
http://www.livejournal.com/users/voodoo_in_tx/323219.html

It's getting a bit much with the Sawyer abuse, even for this h/c fiend! *shields him from more injuries*



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arabella_hope
Oct. 12th, 2005 05:28 pm (UTC)
I suspect that they're gonna shrug it off, make like the Sawyer abuse is no big deal. Which is rediculous, but I feel like they will.

As for Ana, I figure she'll become Jack's right hand girl...he's gotta be pissed at Kate, and Ana seems like she'll scream at the other castaways for not listening to jack about the hatch. Ana and her people have been subject to the wrath of the Others, and I figure she'll be less objective than the castawys we've been following.

And she's a pushy ho, so I think that's were the sex'll come in. Anything, even as much as I dislike her, to get Jack laid and calmed the fuck down.

But tonight, I'll still stew in hate for her.
halfdutch
Oct. 12th, 2005 05:34 pm (UTC)
I suspect that they're gonna shrug it off, make like the Sawyer abuse is no big deal.

Oh god, way to piss off your fandom, writers, if that's the case! I want Jack to be as outraged as he was over Boone. If not, dammit -- the earth cannot contain my wrath! *shakes fist dramatically* ;-D

And SAWYER's supposed to be Jack's right hand guy now - not Ana Lucia. I don't mind seeing them clashing but I don't want to see Jack teaming up with her. I mean, he does need an ally against Locke but ... *sigh*

And you're right, she IS a pushy ho. God, I'm going to be sick at the thought of her even touching Jack.

Anything, even as much as I dislike her, to get Jack laid and calmed the fuck down.

Bite your tongue!! No, no, no!! I so do NOT want her to get near him.


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enigmae
Oct. 12th, 2005 05:29 pm (UTC)
I was prepared to give Ana Lucia a chance to grow on me, but then the Sawyer abuse started, so that shall never happen.
halfdutch
Oct. 12th, 2005 05:35 pm (UTC)
Exactly. Same here. I was finally ready to welcome a new female because Kate could stand some competition but this is really beyond the pale.

*sighs*
killerweasel
Oct. 12th, 2005 05:52 pm (UTC)
The amount of Sawyer abuse this season has already been bothering the hell out of me, and I know I've mentioned it a few times when I've done my posts about the episodes we've seen so far.

In this season alone (and I'm going to count what happened in the finale as this season because that's right where it picked up), he's been shot, blown up, attacked by sharks, had to deal with Michael, pulled a bullet out of his own fricking arm with his fingers, been hit in the head by a very large man with a club, tossed into a pit and generally smacked around.

And now that I've seen those new clips? Ana Lucia comes off as a sadistic bitch. Seriously. Stepping on an open wound and grinding down with your shoe because you don't like someone? That's going over the line, cupcake. And that's not all she did. She hit him in the head with a rock, and I know she punched him in the face. Who knows what else she's going to do tonight!

I haven't read any spoilers, don't really want to because once I start, I can't stop. But I can't understand how on earth people are supposed to like her character at all. Even if the other side of the island was very, very bad, there's no way in hell it justifies what she's doing.

Maybe she's supposed to be the leader of this group, and abusing the people around her is how she keeps in power (though I think that huge guy could snap her neck like a twig if he wanted to), but I don't like her, I don't like her character, and I don't think that anything is going to change my mind on that. Maybe if she gets herself killed saving um... Hurley, then I'd feel differently. But other than that, I'd really like for her to die a slow painful death
halfdutch
Oct. 12th, 2005 06:07 pm (UTC)
You're so right - the Sawyer abuse is bordering on parody at this point. If Jack isn't horribly upset by the condition he finds Sawyer in I may be done watching this show.
*gets all dramatic* I mean, would it be too much to ask for normal human reactions to things? Especially for Jack? I don't think so. And yet I have this terrible feeling it's not going to play out that way.

Ana *is* a sadistic bitch, and not in a good way, LOL. I don't know what else is coming up for her but man, I really hope she doesn't last out the season. Seriously, I stand her with crossed arms waiting to see how they're going to try to justify her behavior. I don't see how they can pull it off.

They must have known the reaction she'd cause so far but fat fuckin' luck getting anyone to like her after this. I wonder if they know what people really think of the show sometimes - that we're bored to death over Michael and annoyed by Kate most of the time. And that the backstories should oh, I don't know, actually be entertaining in and of themselves. I wonder if they have a *clue.*

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inthekeyofd
Oct. 12th, 2005 06:12 pm (UTC)
They are already putting the wedge between him and Kate.

I don't know for sure that they will hook Jack and Ana up this season, maybe they will, but didn't someone on the show say that when the tailaways and the castaways meet it's not going to be pretty between those two groups?

I knew she roughed him up, I was waiting to see what you all thought about that..but that leads to one good thing..and I knew this was definitely going to have to happen..Sawyer gets and infection and Jack can take care of him...*sigh*

I think when Jack does see Ana, it will be the old, "OMG, I thought you were dead, but you're alive and you've been through hell so we'll argue like we don't like each other but really it's just building up the sexual tension until we go at it like bunnies."

They will say how tough it's been for them on the other side of the island, but god forbid they realize these people were on the flight too and don't have to be beaten up constantly.

And I'm sick of Sawyer being the island's punching bag.
halfdutch
Oct. 13th, 2005 12:49 am (UTC)
I'm not really invested in Kate hooking up with anyone on the show at this point ... I don't know if I want any more canon hookups. They tend to make everyone less interesting. *coughShayidcough*

Yes, at least Sawyer will need Jack now, you would think but man, I hope that plays out that way but you never know on this show. *sighs*

I don't even want to think about Jack and Ana Lucia or I'll feel even sicker than I do right now.

And I'm sick of Sawyer being the island's punching bag.

Amen. It's kind of a running joke and yet ... not that funny.

holycitygirl
Oct. 12th, 2005 06:21 pm (UTC)
Hello
Okay I'm friending you - because clearly you are amazingly nice -and I totally need all the Sawyer/Jack supporters I can find on my flist.

As for Ana Lucia - I very much agree that they are going to have to do some MAJOR Unbitchification to make her a believable love interest for Jack.

But I'm really starting to doubt that they are EVER going to have a real LOVE plot on the show with anybody I'm mostly spoiler free but I've heard implications that this season might be different but..

I don't know. I guess the writers will do what they want. Even if I still think Sawyer and Jack should get locked in the hatch and work on some stress management together.

A girl can dream - can't she?
halfdutch
Oct. 13th, 2005 12:55 am (UTC)
Re: Hello
Awww, friended back! ;-D Yes, go Jack and Sawyer! J/S lovers unite!

I'm really fighting this Ana Lucia thing. They've stacked the deck against her so strongly I don't see them ever getting out from under and turning her around. If Jack goes for her without it being believable or in character I'm just going to be nauseous. At least his attraction to Kate made sense. This one, I don't know if I'll ever get, no matter what they do with her now. *sighs heavily*

Oh, Jack and Sawyer in the hatch would be lovely. Finally, the hatch would get interesting! ;-D

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rogueapprentice
Oct. 12th, 2005 07:19 pm (UTC)
*Shrugs*

I'm thinking (again, speculation) that the tailies have had to deal with a LOT from 'The Others'. I seem to remember reading somewhere that they've been killing and torturing them (the tailies).

Ana and her crew probably have no sympathy for Sawyer & Co. They don't trust them. Not one jot. I don't think it'll be backstory that will justify her actions, but the life that she's lived thus far on the island.

But, erm, that's just my two cents.

(And while the wound grinding thing did make me wince...the rock was just fuckin' funny. *Sniggers* "She won't do it, she's only got one bullet! *Thunk* SON OF A BITCH!" *Tries very hard not to cackle*)
halfdutch
Oct. 13th, 2005 02:08 am (UTC)
No sympathy for them, I can get that, but to my way of thinking, she definitely crossed a line with the foot in open wound thing. That's just really uncalled for.

I'm curious to see what they're going to show us the tailaways have been through to justify her actions. They're definitely working overtime to stack the deck against her so far, so they must be pretty confident that they can justify it. Either that, or they don't care if we like her or not.

The abusing Sawyer thing *is* becoming a running joke at this point, sigh.

So if she were abusing someone else would you mind that more, like if it were Jin or Michael or Jack?
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mediocrechick
Oct. 12th, 2005 07:33 pm (UTC)
I haven't seen those clips....I've just stopped reading and watching spoiler thingamahjigs cold turkey because well, most of them are wrong and speculating about stuff only makes Susie pull out her hair. I'm going Homer Simpson bald here, people!

As for the whole Ana Lucia thing, I'm only in it to see Kate's reaction to competition. Heheheh.....
halfdutch
Oct. 13th, 2005 02:10 am (UTC)
*pulls out hair with you*

At this point I'm trying not to get too worked up ... sigh. I hate stressing over the show. I just want to enjoy but I'm too invested in these characters to detach when they're being abused!
snellios
Oct. 12th, 2005 11:26 pm (UTC)
stealing that rec, mmk!
halfdutch
Oct. 13th, 2005 02:10 am (UTC)
Cool. It's a good one! ;-D
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