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One more Lost nitpick -- if I may



In short: So ... Shannon's death was just a ratings stunt after all. Great.

The long version:

In chatting with rogueapprentice, I realized what really bothered me about the "Jin and Sun give AL fish and smile like she's their longlost best friend and all is happiness and sunshine and cute little puppy dogs and buttercups on the island" scene.

Whatever happened to the expected (hinted at? promised?) Tailies vs. Fusies clash. Was "Collision" all we got and now everything's hunky dory? I mean, we get angry!angry!Eko forcing Charlie to lead him into the jungle and no one is the least bit worried that he might not come back in one piece?

Rose and Bernard are presumably off making sweet middle-aged love, so everything's all fine there. Libby and Hurley are making cute eyes at each other and while that's a tad unlikely, it's not so hard to believe. And HAH! Wait til she finds out about his time in the mental ward! LOL.

BUT -- all we got of reaction to AL is ... Sun and Jin handing her fish and clearly befriending her. Excuse me, but the last time she interacted with the group, she had just killed Shannon, wanted to let Sawyer just die, and had Sayid tied to a tree. Jin, Michael, Eko, Libby and Bernard all walked out on her in disgust at her actions. Fast forward to: Jin and Sun smiling broadly and handing her fish. Compare to Jin's offering of the fish to Hurley and Claire in the first day after the crash. Sure, they were strangers and he wasn't the happy!happy!Jin we know now, but ... that was more of a social obligation thing. This was a gesture of friendship and inclusion, not duty or simply going through the motions, if you ask me.

AL skipped the funeral and kept her distance at first, assuming that everyone would hate her. And then Jack brings her tequila on the beach and everything's A-OK? We get NO suspicious glances? NO whispering behind hands? NO cold shoulder at all? Accident or not, she KILLED one of them. And she beat the crap out of Sawyer and took Sayid hostage and was perfectly willing to sacrifice all of their lives through the whole trek. None of that matters anymore? None of that has been disseminated to the general populace?

Because, let me get this straight: Shannon died, I thought, to set up this ultimate confrontation between Tailies and Fusies. It's Castaway War, right? Everyone at each other's throats? Instead we get -- a big fat fizzle. No one cares. No one holds a grudge. No one is suspicious or wary or nervous around her? (Yes, they're saving Sayid's dilemma for later on, I guess but surely he wouldn't be the only one who would have a problem with her. I mean, Sawyer gets the fish eye when he shows up to the golf course and he didn't KILL anyone. He nearly died himself and he's the social pariah. Here comes this stranger with, at best, a bad reputation, and no one shuns her even a little?)

Why did they kill Shannon off then, if we get NO repercussions? For me, that really cheapens her death and makes it that much more pointless and more of a ratings stunt. I mean, Boone's death was tough, but it set up a chain of consequences. This is just -- pfft. Nothing, apparently. Yeah, we had her funeral, but hey, it's Eko time! Let's not deal with any of the other existing issues. Let's just sweep them under the rug!

For Jin and Sun to be so very friendly and overjoyed is just selling out the integrity of their characters, if you ask me, especially since that one scene is representative of the entire Fusie population's attitude towards AL, apparently. URGH.

And I did not mean to ramble on so long about this. It's simple. I don't buy these characters' forgiving and forgetting such a huge thing, even if it was an accident. I don't see why it happened at all if they're going to just gloss over it until it's convenient to bring it up again, like the next Sayid episode or something. And THAT is why I've lost faith in the show. They're so busy showcasing their beloved new characters, they're not even bothering to integrate them or their storylines, but just rush onto the next thing.

But hey - I was just expressing disappointment that we never got Jack and Sawyer teaming up and look, that's happening next week. So maybe we'll get a delayed group reaction to AL and there will be actual resentment and human-like behavior among the TV people.

And would it have killed them to add one gloomy or dark note to the Musical Montage of Joyous Tribal Intermingling?

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alliecat8
Jan. 13th, 2006 06:43 am (UTC)
AMEN, sister.

Hubby is trying to sleep, and regretting, at the moment, his decision to move my computer into the bedroom. Because I keep yelling YES! and YOU GO, GIRL! and reading everything you just said out loud to him, because that needs to be heard by every Lost fan out there.

DAMN STRAIGHT.
halfdutch
Jan. 13th, 2006 06:48 am (UTC)
HEEE! *tackleglomp*

Well, I keep thinking I'm being too hard on the episode and I'm taking it all too seriously and I should just stop complaining already, because yeah, it's just a TV show after all. But honestly, don't we fans sometimes have a higher standard than the show itself? At least as far as the characters are concerned?

So THANK YOU, HON! Hearing I'm not alone really makes me feel so much better.
eponine119
Jan. 13th, 2006 06:51 am (UTC)
Yes. Exactly. It's frustrating and makes absolutely no sense at all.

halfdutch
Jan. 13th, 2006 06:53 am (UTC)
*sighs* I kept trying to say it more succinctly, but thanks for reading through and agreeing with me. I don't enjoy raking the show over the coals, but dammit, there you go. It doesn't make sense.
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halfdutch
Jan. 13th, 2006 06:55 am (UTC)
She doesn't know any of that yet. But maybe she senses a lot of material for the island couch she's bound to set up soon.
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hils
Jan. 13th, 2006 07:30 am (UTC)
Again I totally agree with everything. It also bugged be that nobody even seemed to care that Shannon was dead (apart from Sayid). Nobody expressed any grief it was like 'bury her and move on'. Meh.

Still (and it probably won't happen but I can hope) at some point Jack or Kate will find out that Ana just wanted to leave Sawyer in the jungle to die and THEN we'll get the confrontation. Not going to happen though is it :(
halfdutch
Jan. 13th, 2006 07:36 am (UTC)
Oh, I know! I only WISH that would come out, but apparently not.

But hey, I already wrote a fic along those lines: http://www.livejournal.com/users/halfdutch/161199.html
Because it was bugging me too.

It'll just remain our wishful thinking, probably.
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gobsmackit
Jan. 13th, 2006 07:42 am (UTC)
First of all, I like "Angry!Angry!Eko," it's very "Hungry Hungry Hippo(e?)s"

Secondly, you're right, as it is now, they probably just needed to free up some cash to pay for the newbies. Me, being the obnoxious optimist, hopes that there will be a delayed group reaction. Things not adding up, Sayid being all Maquis. etc. I'll keep my fingers crossed, because nothing occurring from Shannon's death really would be a letdown.

And maybe I'm just projecting, but I thought Sun looked a little uncomfortable meeting Ana? Though that might be wishful thinking.

And would it have killed them to add one gloomy or dark note to the Musical Montage of Joyous Tribal Intermingling?
Oh, if only! That would've been kickass.
halfdutch
Jan. 13th, 2006 05:29 pm (UTC)
Hee. Let's play "Angry!Angry!Eko!" ;-D

they probably just needed to free up some cash to pay for the newbies.

Yes another way their presence is not helping the show. *grrr* I know the show has always lacked group reaction shots but SERIOUSLY! I mean, did they have to the sunshine and daisies route? How is that going to fly if the *are* keeping a big tribal smackdown for the future? I just want to shake and slap the writers, you know? And the directors. And the actors.

Remember when Lost used to slide in some dark notes among the happy ones? I guess because Eko's story was fairly dark, they decided they needed some TV equivalent of peanut butter. You know what, guys? You really shouldn't have. Really.


lukesaysno
Jan. 13th, 2006 08:33 am (UTC)
Jin, Michael, Eko, Libby and Bernard all walked out on her in disgust at her actions.
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And she beat the crap out of Sawyer and took Sayid hostage and was perfectly willing to sacrifice all of their lives through the whole trek.


HELLO! not making much sense. i mean i can see them not ostracizing her for accidentally killing shannon, but... she showed her true colors in the way she handled everything before and after that.
halfdutch
Jan. 13th, 2006 05:31 pm (UTC)
I know! I just wish to God Jack would find out what kind of person she really is and stop wasting tequila on her. It makes me insane that they're just glossing over everything's she's done. The show needs more conflict, less of this forced friendliness and forgiving. It just rings completely false. Real people don't act like that!
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halfdutch
Jan. 13th, 2006 05:34 pm (UTC)
Urgh. Would it have killed them to at least leave things at a sort of uneasy truce for now? Why rush to be all peace and contentment and best friends forever? It DOESN'T make any sense and it has me thinking all the characters have lost their minds. Seriously!

And yeah - can we get some real world reactions here? Someone DIED at the hands of another castaway and no one cares. Real people don't act like that. They just don't.
inthekeyofd
Jan. 13th, 2006 01:59 pm (UTC)
I thought there was going to a be a confrontation as well.

I still don't understand how Jin isn't a tad bit pissed at the way that AL treated him, and then treated all of them on the way to the Originals (that's what I like to call them) camp. I tried not to think that Sun was befriending her, maybe she just didn't want her to starve, but as much as I felt that they totally glossed over the fact that Claire was kidnapped last season, I think the big one is that Shannon was shot and no one seems to even really be thinking about it.

I think it's just a little scattered this season, like they are trying to cover all their bases..unfortunately, sometimes, they just can't run fast enough to do that.

**And next week, with Jack and Sawyer off, maybe Sayid will do something..but then again, Kate will probably get involved somehow and stop him.
halfdutch
Jan. 13th, 2006 05:42 pm (UTC)
Jin is an idiot. Or all the reunion sex is making him waaaay too happy.

And yeah, they did this too with Claire's kidnapping. I mean, what goes on in the writers' heads? Seriously? Can't they throw in a line here or there, or a single reaction shot to show that these characters we've come to care about aren't forgotten so easily? It really is disloyal of them. And high-handed. And shallow. And cheap. And incredibly short-sighted.

They really do have too much on their plates this season.

Next week - see, if we were being realistic (which, apparently, isn't ever a consideration anymore on this show, if it ever was), then the guy who's still recovering from a life-threatening bullet wound and fever would not be the one going out on a mission, but it would be Sayid, the former soldier, or Eko, the man who can swing a mean Jesus stick. And who knows when we'll see Sayid again? I mean, he's not my favorite, but he has been horribly and unfairly sidelined, and after such a big event too. I have a feeling Kate will try to tag along with Jack and Sawyer, actually. And we don't want that!!

But then again, having Sawyer on the mission means he might need some more TLC from Jack. And I certainly won't complain about that, LOL.
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ficangel
Jan. 13th, 2006 02:43 pm (UTC)
This is what I suspect is the real answer, even though it's not the one that makes any sense from a storytelling perspective: 'cause it's not February sweeps yet.
halfdutch
Jan. 13th, 2006 05:37 pm (UTC)
But why not just leave things at a sort of uneasy truce for now? Why go the completely saccharine route? I mean, sure, save the big confrontation til February. Fine. But you can't make me buy that these characters don't care about Shannon's death or Ana Lucia's other transgressions against their fellow survivors. Because if you make me buy that, then these are not characters I want to spend any time with, ever again. I mean, who needs happy-go-lucky, shallow idiots with the attention span of a gnat?
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halfdutch
Jan. 13th, 2006 05:46 pm (UTC)
I know. The montages are le crap. I didn't even get affected by the tearful husband & wife reunions a few eps ago because it was one of those montages. And now, apparently, the Tailies being so uneventfully and happily integrated into the group is on a par with the big reunion with Sun and Rose's husbands because it's set to the exact same kind of "Omg!yay!" music montage?

And yes, we need more DOOOOM. What is this, Smurf village, suddenly?

I hope Sun poisoned the fish .

THAT? Would be awesome. LOL. Thanks for the laugh. Wow, that would solve SO many problems with this season right there.
guineverekay
Jan. 13th, 2006 03:11 pm (UTC)
I mean, we get angry!angry!Eko forcing Charlie to lead him into the jungle and no one is the least bit worried that he might not come back in one piece?

Well, maybe they all share my opinion of Charlie right now and don't particularly care if he comes back...in one piece or otherwise.

I mean, Sawyer gets the fish eye when he shows up to the golf course and he didn't KILL anyone.

Hell, he got tied to a tree in the jungle of mystery and tortured by a goddamn spinal surgeon and a genuine Iraqi just because he *might* have had *shannon's* inhaler. And now? They're giving the bitch who freakin *shot shannon* a fish. Fuck that.

My husband is threatening to stop watching the show with me because every time AnaL is on the screen, I yell variations of "the kill off Shannon and put *that* bitch on my tv?!"
halfdutch
Jan. 13th, 2006 05:52 pm (UTC)
LOL. What's your avatar doing there? Graverobbing? ;-D

Hee. I wouldn't miss Charlie so much either, but surely someone else on the island would. And a big chunk of my flist.

And the whole bit where AL gets a free pass after everything she's done while Sawyer has to constantly re-earn any fucking simple consideration makes me violently ill. (Look at how Michael accused him of everything that's gone wrong, from the poisoning to the mast breaking to Walt's kidnapping - that's all Sawyer's fault?!, when Sawyer has a] never done anything wrong to Michael and b] even saved his life. And the rudder. And the mast. *sighs*)

And hee. There's lots of yelling here too, even when the MR's name comes up in the credits. Man, if the writers only knew. I mean, they do know, don't they? They have to. But then again, they've proven over and over what clueless lunkheads they can be. The show still has brilliant moments but ... it's the big picture that's really suffered.
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arabella_hope
Jan. 13th, 2006 03:24 pm (UTC)
You nailed it right on the head, exactly why I was uneasy. Thank you. Nailed!

We were cheated out of so many reactions which is a stark contrast to S1. Jin almost drowned Michael for looking at his wife wrong(ok, maybe about the watch too). Sayid and sawyer threw down. Crap, even Hurley was accosted for peanuts. Am I just missing the brawls? I don't think so.

When did these people become the patron saints of forgivness? The Tailies may have been from their plane, but our survivors have already had their own experience with the Others (Ethan) kidnapping one of their own, so it is impossible to believe that they would be so accepting.

You're right...the writers are so excited to have these new characters that they're rushing past what matters...and to go back to it now seems out of place.

I mean really...where was Kate's reaction to Ana? They used to be intent on pushing her on us.
halfdutch
Jan. 13th, 2006 05:55 pm (UTC)
Aww, thanks hon.

Yeah, WHY are they just forgiving and forgetting? After, what, a day? Real people do NOT act like that. It just makes me think all the characters are nuts. I mean, if they're distracted or busy with other things (like Kate and Sawyer), then that's fine. Don't show their reactions to the Tailies. But to show Hurley and esp. Jin and Sun being all smiley and friendly and so very welcoming just rubs the wrong way. It rings so FALSE. Why can't they see how they're undermining the integrity of the characters and the show when they rush to some kind of forced false peace?

You're right...the writers are so excited to have these new characters that they're rushing past what matters...and to go back to it now seems out of place.

Right. It would be so simple to throw in a few uneasy looks AL's way, at the very least. The original castaways didn't bond that fast and they hadn't been murdering each other!
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zenana7
Jan. 13th, 2006 07:21 pm (UTC)
You are so obviously not alone. I liked the ep, but your are spot on about AnaL. Just a little too montagy pat. Feels like MR's agent was really good and got her a great deal, so TPTB feel the urgent need to promote her to pieces with no regard of the plausibility of the scenarios or her character.

Not to self pimp, but I did write a take on the tequila exchange you might enjoy. Covers much of this ground.
halfdutch
Jan. 14th, 2006 05:59 pm (UTC)
Well, I don't know how much weight one actor or their agent could pull, but JJ is just madly in love with her as an actress and for the life of me, I don't know WHY! At least we know he can't be doing her in RL, LOL. ;-D But yeah, they really have tossed plausibility right out the window with her, haven't they?

And bwah! Thanks for the link, LOL!
slippery_fish
Jan. 13th, 2006 11:41 pm (UTC)
The Ana thing: We don't know yet if everybody is ok with her since we haven't seen her interact much with the group.

Charlie said that it would have been strange if she had been at Shannon's funeral, so I guess people do talk about it.

I think Jack interacting with her fits. He's the leader, he has to keep an eye on everyone. He also knows how it's like to be in her position, how much pressure it can put on you. He let Sayid torture Saywer in order to get Shannon's meds, she was ready to leave Saywer behind so the group could move faster and get away from the threat of the Others. Sure, he doesn't have her anger managment issues but we don't know if he knows about everything that has happened on the way to his group.

Jin...that took me a while to understand,too. But maybe it's because Jin hasn't been the best person before the crash and because he knows how it's like to be on the island most hated list.

The one person we expect to have the greatest problems with Ana, Sayid, hasn't been near her since he brought Shannon home. I'm very curious to see how that will go.
halfdutch
Jan. 14th, 2006 06:06 pm (UTC)
Well, it seems to me that Sun and JIn's welcome wagon committe was really representative of the whole group. And the whole message of the montage was "Yay, everyone is getting along SO WELL. All is peace and happiness and joy on the island. Hurrah!" Which seems like a really big leap, to me, from where they were. I mean, this is a group of people who have a TON of issues, individually and as a group, so any moment that's presented as sheer joy like that seems suspect to me, let alone one that feels as forced as that one.

But hey - I'm nitpicky, you're not, LOL. I'm sure you enjoy the show a lot more than I do, these days.

I just wish they had kept a more subdued, realistic tone instead of that kind of over-the-top happiness. Or at least undercut it with a more somber note. Remember when Sayid tossed Sawyer that apple, back in Tabula Rasa? They'd just had a big fight and they weren't grinning like beauty contestants in each other's faces, but there was a temporary truce and Sayid was reaching out and that puzzled Sawyer, even though he took the gift. So I much preferred that scene and that tone because it seemed more true to the situation and the characters. It was kind of sweet without being sappy.

And I would rather not be bending over backwards to explain why characters are acting the way they are, and just be able to believe it, as it happens. I guess I'm hard to please!

I do think we'll get more fireworks from Sayid, because if they let that conflict go entirely, then, yeah, they really *are* smoking the crack over there, LOL. But I guess they're saving it for sweeps month.

Anyway, I still don't see why they have to go with an "everything is peachy" music montage when that just doesn't ring true. But hey, if it worked for you, then great.
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foxxcub
Jan. 14th, 2006 10:20 pm (UTC)
This is all true. Dammit.
halfdutch
Jan. 15th, 2006 10:40 pm (UTC)
Awww. I've been validated. ;-D Well, they did the same thing with Claire's disappearance and I guess we all got over that. Except I didn't really miss her either.

OK, venting over and the slate is wiped clean for the new week!
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