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Some thoughts about Lost

When I first read the Foxy interview in GQ, where he talks about how he hopes that Ana and Jack become like Bonnie and Clyde as they team up to go after The Others, my first thought was, "Oh, Foxy, good thing you're so pretty. And it's a damn good thing you're not writing for the show." But then I gave it a bit more thought and I realized, Aha! Here is why Foxy's so keen on Ana. It means he might get to play a whole different side of Jack. Here he's been the heroic doctor this whole time and this would let him get more of his inner gunslinger on. So far, Sawyer, Kate and even Charlie have been the ones to wield the guns. (And of, course Ana, herself. *sigh*) So I think he's just jonesing for some bad boy action himself. And no, I don't mean sex. Although Jack is certainly due, he just can do a helluva lot better. He holds out for two months, and then he gives into her? Bleah. Although I find it funny that (as I just read at Spoilerfix.com), Damon and Carlton had to reassure people early on that Ana's not a lesbian. Heh.

And I was so bored and down on the show last week that I went somewhere I've never been before: TWOP's spoiler thread! But they had nothing, besides episode synopses and whatever vague clues Damon and Carlton have let slip. And they also linked back to uberaeryn's and alliecat8's theories, LOL! So much for new territory, heh.

Then I went to Spoilerfix.com and now I think I'm up on *all* the Lost spoilers out there. And they're all quite mild. I was hoping to find out more about someone supposedly being killed off, but nada, bupkus, zilch.

Same old things: Darren Aronofsky is going to direct an episode. Locke and Sawyer have a "surprising" connection. Urgh - enough with the damn connections already. I'm really starting to get sick of "spot the cameo from someone else's past" in the backstories lately. It was fun at first but it's been dragging on for so long with no real point. It's just not fun anymore. And I'm also damn tired of all the new characters. I'd heard a while ago we were going to be getting a teenage girl on the island and my first, panicky thoughts went to the horror that was Dawn and Connor on Buffy and Angel and how I literally stopped watching when they both appeared. I came back to both eventually, but there's a reason I don't watch shows with teenagers, you know. Adding whiny, bratty teens to my favorite shows: NEVER a good idea. Just, never. And looks like we're in for not one, but TWO teenage girls: Alex and someone named Jessica. (Also an Other?) This show already has too many characters. *headdesks* And also, apparently Henry will be around for six episodes. And Libby is getting her own episode. Bernard and Rose are not. *shrug*

And that's about it. Nothing very encouraging. Nothing that makes me go "Ooh, I must see THAT." But of course I mostly just care about the JKS triangle and there's nothing new with that, apparently. I mean, you never know how things will play out. They could have something great in store. I'm still waiting for them to redeem themselves after "One of Them." I can't keep watching if they keep making Sawyer into some kind of cartoon villain. :-(

The next ep is March 1, the Claire ep and pardon me if I am not the least bit excited about it.

Some thoughts about Grey's Anatomy:
Oh Meredith. I can't relate to you AT ALL. Who pity fucks your male roommate who worships you? What the hell were you thinking? You, my dear, are an IDIOT. As is George, apparently. Actually, there isn't anyone on the show I really relate to, but damned if it isn't addicting.

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thatsaid
Feb. 20th, 2006 06:58 pm (UTC)
It's getting close to the point where the only reason I'm watching Lost is Sawyer. And since they are about to completely ruin that character too, it really kind of sucks.

I am a little excited about the next episode, though. The promos didn't look too bad.

I really hope that the "surprising connection" between Locke and Sawyer isn't that Locke's dad is Mr. Sawyer, like everyone on lost-forum seems to think.
halfdutch
Feb. 20th, 2006 07:10 pm (UTC)
It's getting close to the point where the only reason I'm watching Lost is Sawyer. And since they are about to completely ruin that character too, it really kind of sucks.

Well, I still care about Jack but the Ana thing is such a turnoff. I really have to bend over backwards to make excuses for him there -- for nearly everyone really, so much of the time. I just get so frustrated with how so many things just get swept under the rug. I think they kind of shot themselves in the foot with this shortened timeline. It just doesn't work well as you *watch* the show.

And yeah, I hope that "surprising connection" is more original than that. Because that's really lame. I either wish they would just reveal the point of the connections or drop them altogether. Simply having them be there isn't really serving any purpose, if you ask me. It stopped being interesting a long time ago - there's just no resonance if people aren't aware of the connections themselves! The only thing that paid off was the Christian/Sawyer connection and that was one of the best moments ever on the show when that came out. The rest just pale in comparison.
themoononastick
Feb. 20th, 2006 07:26 pm (UTC)
the horror that was Dawn and Connor on Buffy and Angel

Oh god, please don't let it get that bad.
Why do they keep introducing new characters? Is seventy million characters (most of whom we never see anymore) not enough? Grrrr.

The thought of an entire episode about Claire makes me yawn, but the worst thing is, it's not 'cos of her but 'cos of the fact that her character has been so sidelined that I just. don't. care. anymore. Still, Eko is in the promo shots and he's talking to Charlie so that's a bright spot on my horizon. heee! ;p

in other news: I'm still bored... make me less bored, please? *pleads, gazes adoringly, whines a little*
halfdutch
Feb. 20th, 2006 07:30 pm (UTC)
Well, I'm a firm pessimist: Expect the best, prepare for the worst? Or something like that. Although at this point, I'm expecting the worst from Lost. That way if there *is* a good episode, I can be pleasantly surprised. And if not, it's just status quo. :-/

And I swear they all have ADD over there. Or the casting director has some kind of dirt on them to keep herself so busy adding new characters, LOL. Yeah, a Libby, Claire, Charlie, Eko episode? Not much there for this fangirl, sadly.

And omg, get online now -- *prods you with a sharp stick*
arabella_hope
Feb. 20th, 2006 07:32 pm (UTC)
I am bored as all hell at work, so I let my eyes skim across the spoilers. Which I pry shouldn't have done - that's all new to me (cept the Alex bit).

I have NO idea who TPTB are trying to please...my only guess, especially after reading a snippet of the Foxy article *blissfully ignores Ana-talk*, is that the show WASN'T planned out as well as they wanted us to believe, and now they're scrambling to add as much 'dimension' as possible. I just wish that they'd remember the first little lesson they learned when they were told not to kill off Jack: The audience is seeing through his eyes, as well as 'our' (as I think of them) survivors - our emotions and concerns lie with them, not random people who just pop up. The suspense is being stripped away, even if they are trying to heighten by 'darkening' the characters and revealing new people.

As for GA...damn. I'm just gonna think of it as a plot device to making George stronger. And I almost NEVER go for the chick-flick-like drama, but GA is crack.

Yeah, I said I had nothing else to do but think and type, right? ;P
halfdutch
Feb. 20th, 2006 07:45 pm (UTC)
The spoilers are all so very dull, so I hope no harm done. They really need to start leaking better hints if they want people to be excited about upcoming eps, I think.

And yes, they've completely lost sight of who and what the show is about. It's NOT about the umpteen new random characters. Who gives a flying fuck about them? Not I. It just waters down the show's appeal even more. Every time they add a new character, my interest in the show dips even further. :-/

Oh, I did like Desmond and they did say he'll be back, but that's not necessarily a "Woo Hoo" either, you know.

And GA really is a chick show but eh, who cares? LOL. At this point, it's far more addicting that Desperate Housewives ever was.

alliecat8
Feb. 20th, 2006 07:58 pm (UTC)
Dr. Clyde? Um, bad judgment, anyone? Right, we've got a cop and a trained soldier, let's put our only doctor on the front lines. I sympathize with Foxy's desire to be a badass, but I hope the writers are thinking things through better than he is.

I skimmed a bit at TWoP yesterday, too. I just read the last few pages of the spoiler board, and I noticed they were talking about Ethan, Goodwin, and Gale being cut from a different cloth than the Others. I thought, oh, I guess I'm not as original as I thought I was! But, they got that from me, huh? Weird.

I'm convinced that they're going to go with the Locke's dad = The Real Sawyer angle, especially after Locke siezed on Sawyer's alias the way he did. He might've recognized it as one his dad used. Maybe it just seems unoriginal to us because we picked up on it a while back? It might knock the socks off of the mainstream viewers who don't analyze the show six ways to Sunday.

I'm pretty sure that Jessica will turn out to be Alex, so, only one teenager. I don't think they're adding a teenager just for the sake of having one. Because, why would anyone want to do that? (Apologies to any teenagers who read this...I'm the mom of 2 of 'em so I get to complain if I want. ;) )

Turning Sawyer into a cartoon villian is my greatest fear. But, I don't think that Josh will let them do that. All through S1 he talked about how he fought for Sawyer's humanity; I can't see him giving up on that now.

Hmmm, did I just go all Pollyanna on you? Sorry. :)

Here, this should make up for it: Meredith needs an ass-whuppin'. George is doomed.
halfdutch
Feb. 20th, 2006 11:08 pm (UTC)
I agree, Foxy might be bored (and so might Jack) but it doesn't make sense for Jack to go all commando. (Except in the sense of foregoing underwear, LOL.) But he's kind of always looked before he leaped. He's like Captain Kirk: He wants to be in the thick of the action, even when he's too valuable to be risking his life. Plus the fact that he's just about the *least* qualified person on that island to be leading any kind of army. As is hotheaded Ana, really. *sighs* Yet another plotline that has me shaking my head. I just hope Foxy doesn't get his wish, she gets made into mincemeat and that's the end of that.

I've seen a few theories that not all the Others are from the same source - some are from the Initiative? And some are ...? I don't know. I was only interested in the theory about Sawyer being infected. Who and what The Others are isn't really that interesting to me. They're just more people junking up the plot. But I'd much rather have had Goodwin than Ana!

And actually, re: Jessica. There were two separate casting calls for the actresses, so that seems like two different characters. *sighs* And teenagers = death knell for a show. Esp. when they're added late in the game, for no good reason except demographics, apparently. And yeah, not meaning to bash any real teenagers but there's a reason I don't watch shows set in high school!

I hope Josh would keep them straight on Sawyer but he's not influential enough, I don't think. :–/

And Meredith, yeah she's messed up from her mom's infidelity, I guess and it's rather brave to make your lead character an indiscriminate ho but she's in for a world of hurt.
isis2015
Feb. 20th, 2006 08:58 pm (UTC)
Teenagers suck. Except me, but you know what I mean. ;) They bring along all of their whiney, emo problems and act like melodramatic idiots (ie Dawn, god I loathed her). Teenagers rarely make good characters either. They come off as very two dimensional (all I have to do to prove that point is direct you to just about any episode of the OC). The actors that play them rarely have the talent to pull off any kind of three dimensional story line. I gave Lost the kind of credit not to have to add another character every fucking week to keep things interesting. But they are. And that pisses me off because it's unnecessary. I cared about the characters they put in front of me last season. I want to see more about them and their lives, not whatever new blood you want to put on the show. It isn't needed. *sigh* So why is it done?
rogueapprentice
Feb. 20th, 2006 09:15 pm (UTC)
all I have to do to prove that point is direct you to just about any episode of the OC

*Vomits*

Sorry. Going back to my corner now. ;)
isis2015
Feb. 20th, 2006 10:29 pm (UTC)
*shudders* The OC sucks. Melodrama to the extreme. Therefore, suckage.
halfdutch
Feb. 20th, 2006 11:13 pm (UTC)
Of course. ;-D No offense meant to any real teenagers. But Lost is a show about people with issues and pasts and they are all ADULTS. Adding teenagers makes no sense. Adding any more characters doesn't make any sense either. I just wish they would STOP and pay attention to the characters they have. I mean, I'm not missing Michael or Walt at all and if Claire and the baby disappeared forever too, I wouldn't mind. But can they please just deal with the characters they made us care about in S1?

The rest of the new characters aren't worth Sawyer's cigarette ash.

I swear the writers have ADD. There's really no accounting for it. Do they think we'll get BORED with the characters they've already established? They need to have a little faith in their show instead of trashing it like this.



rogueapprentice
Feb. 20th, 2006 09:10 pm (UTC)
I think that's exactly why Foxy is so keen on the Ana angle. I think I'd get tired of just being the Big Damn Hero all the time too. It's high time Jack got just a little bit darker, and I think we're starting to see that.

I think Claire's been getting more interesting lately. Especially if they're gonna show us what happened while she was kidnapped. But then I never had a problem with Claire. She's not nearly as snore-worthy as Michael (which I HATE saying cause I love Harold!).
halfdutch
Feb. 20th, 2006 11:19 pm (UTC)
Yes, but Jack of all people, waging war? Not a good idea. He really hasn't learned how to balance being a leader and a doctor since he always wants to be on the frontlines. I don't mind him being darker but there are so many people more qualified to train and lead an army. He's just about the worst person for the job. But then again, Jack's decisionmaking is never really the best. *sighs* Of course, not regretting the Ethan smackdown. ;-D

And Claire has only ever been defined in terms of being Aaron's mother. At least Michael had the Sun flirtation and the raft building. Claire has never had another plotline besides the PB and Charlie and the baby. That's why I find her *the* most boring character on TV. She's shown some backbone in sending Charlie packing but that's still all about the baby. And yeah, Harold rocks. Michael, eh, not so much.
lillyjk
Feb. 20th, 2006 09:32 pm (UTC)
acck! I hate Meredith and I hate Claire. I want more Sawyer and Sayid...preferably nekkid.
halfdutch
Feb. 20th, 2006 11:20 pm (UTC)
We never get what we want. :-(

Please let them just kill Claire off!

misse1977
Feb. 21st, 2006 12:32 am (UTC)
I loved "the Long Con" and I care for and love Sawyer more than a frog I seen for 10 seconds. Even thought the frog-plot was stupid, he have done things before that turned his "fans" off him. Like kicking around Jin or steal Claires diary.
I love him BAD. But it has to be done right. I just hope the writers just wont leave it like this. I think he will try and push people away by seeing their weakness and play with it. Like the Hurley-turtle-frog story.

My major hope is that Jack wont let him:-) And hopefully it will include handcuffs and a padd...guaAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!

I didnt say anything...
halfdutch
Feb. 21st, 2006 04:16 am (UTC)
Well, the bad writing is frustrating. I really think fanfic writers have a better handle on the character than the show's writers do these days. They just have too much on their plate to do justice to any one character, I guess.

We'll see what the next few eps bring. At least there's always fanfic!
misse1977
Feb. 21st, 2006 10:00 pm (UTC)
Yes. Crave fanfics!

BTW. I hate the new characters! Even Eko. He is just someone with a monotonous voice that happens to have an accent and one faceexpression only. My question is, do you have to play characters like that to win awards now? I hate that they pass Josh every time! It´s war! I´m my own army! I´m nuts and totally in love with Sawyer.

I also agree about the teenage girls that coming around the bend=DREAD! Dont want them in my show! Couldnt O.C take them instead?
If I knew any english I would write fanfics. I´m a decent writer, but wrongspellings and difficults to express what you want to say can make the best story bad.
adeline
Feb. 21st, 2006 11:36 am (UTC)
Aw, nooo! I can't believe this Henry Gale lame!plotdevice will be staying on this long, and I most certainly refuse to accept it. *stomps* I want Desmond back. *whines*
halfdutch
Feb. 21st, 2006 06:58 pm (UTC)
Actually, Desmond is supposed to be coming back at some point. So that's one bright spot!

And someone at the spoiler thread at TWOP came up with the following hilarious (and no doubt accurate) prediction of how the Henry episodes will unfold:

1) Is he an Other? (Ep 15 kinda pushes that he is, but still leaves it ambiguous.) (End of 1st ep)
2) Yes. He's an Other. Stupid one at that. He slips up in front of Jack. (End of 2nd ep)
3) He won't talk. (End of his 3rd ep)
4) He decides to talk (End of 4th ep)
5) He talks - but then OMGWTFKIDNAPPING (end of 5th ep)
6) They find him in The Jungle - DEAD (end of 6th ep.)
blue_orchidea
Feb. 21st, 2006 11:04 pm (UTC)
I am so sick of people trying to come up with fancy explanations that somehow justify this lamest of plots. IT'S JUST BAD WRITING, FOLKS. END OF STORY. The writers screwed up. They have no grand plan. They just suck.


HEE!!!

Welcome to the dark side dear.
Here, have your first bitter bottle of tree frog juice. ;)
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