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Lost polls re: Michael

After discussing the situation with Michael, I'm just curious to see how other people feel about him and what they want to happen to him. No spoilers, just spec.

How do you feel about Michael now that he's a cold-blooded murderer?

I've always liked him, still do
Used to like him, but not anymore
Never liked him, still don't
Never liked him until he went dark

Do you feel any sympathy for Michael?

Nope, zero. He had other options besides murder and betrayal.
A little. He's in a hard spot.
Absolutely! Poor guy!

What about him planning to turn over the people on the list?

Even without knowing all the facts, he's willing to sign their death warrants -
It's not right, but I'm sure no harm will come to any of them
Hey, he just wants Walt back. Everyone else is expendable!

What was your reaction when Michael shot Ana & Libby?

Eh. We knew those two were leaving the show anyway.

What's the worst thing Michael has done?

Killing two innocent people (Double murder!)
Planning to betray his friends (Characters we actually like!)

What punishment should there by for Michael?


What do you want to happen to Michael?

He needs to die
He needs a second chance
He needs to join The Others or go off on his own
I don't care, as long as he's off the show
I don't care, as long as he's still on the show

Which would be the biggest copout?

Killing Michael off rather than deal with his betrayal
Letting Michael live and get off scott free



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May. 22nd, 2006 06:58 pm (UTC)
How do you feel about Michael now that he's a cold-blooded murderer?

I've always liked him, still do
Used to like him, but not anymore
Never liked him, still don't
Never liked him until he went dark

I think I need a "meh either way" option :D
May. 22nd, 2006 06:59 pm (UTC)
LOL. ;-) I wonder if it was Claire who'd done the shooting how people would feel. Those characters are pretty interchangeable in their 'meh-ness' for me. Who knew being a parent made you so boring and annoying?
(no subject) - thelana - May. 22nd, 2006 07:01 pm (UTC) - Expand
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(no subject) - halfdutch - May. 22nd, 2006 07:10 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - thelana - May. 22nd, 2006 07:18 pm (UTC) - Expand
May. 22nd, 2006 07:10 pm (UTC)
I object to the wording of "Even without knowing all the facts, he's willing to sign their death warrants." YOU JUST SAID WE KNEW NO FACTS, WHY DO YOU SPEAK OF DEATH?!

I think he's probably the most realistic characters and definitely one of the more interesting, lately.
May. 22nd, 2006 07:10 pm (UTC)
I can English! I SWEAR I KNOW HOW.
(no subject) - halfdutch - May. 22nd, 2006 07:13 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - gobsmackit - May. 22nd, 2006 07:29 pm (UTC) - Expand
May. 22nd, 2006 07:14 pm (UTC)
Michael definitely has to pay for what he did, but probably won't seeing most crimes on that island are either forgotten or swept under the rug (yes I'm still bitter about Sayid torturing Sawyer for no reason) Even though he should have just told them the situation and I'm sure they all would have helped him..at least they would have known what they are getting into..or maybe they wouldn't have, after hearing, WAAAAALLLTTTTTT and "My Boy" ever since that plane crashed.

I'm thinking if he does get shot (and I'm kind of hoping he does) it'll either be Jack or Walt that does it. Jack to bring out just how he's at his last threads..and to bring out something else I've been speculating about or Walt, because it would be interesting to see Walt go evil..but who really deserves to do the deed..Hurley, but I'm not sure that would happen, at least you can kind of see it with Jack and it would tie into that other thing I've been thinking of *coughemptycoffincough*

Is it wrong that I'm more pissed he lied than that he shot two people??

May. 22nd, 2006 07:32 pm (UTC)
I'm going to be really, really pissed if they just shrug this off.

And in the latest promo, Jack is up in the face, so the cat's out of the bag but we don't know if they find out he's the one who shot Ana & Libby or if anything's happened to the rest of them yet.

I'd like to see Walt or Hurley take out Michael! Either would be good! And since killing off Ana & Libby was a last-minute addition to the story (no matter what they say about it), I can see where people would shrug it off as just a housecleaning. What happens from here on out, though, that does matter since it involves the original characters. That's my take on it, anyway.
(no subject) - inthekeyofd - May. 22nd, 2006 07:40 pm (UTC) - Expand
May. 22nd, 2006 07:21 pm (UTC)
For the question: "What punishment should there be for Michael?", I only choose exile because I think all the other castaways have too much a "conscience" to kill anything now. Maybe Hurley will get mad enough to shoot the bastard but more likely it's not going to happen. Damn writers!
May. 22nd, 2006 07:29 pm (UTC)
Oh, I guess I meant death to include accidental death, death by Others or suicide, not just an execution at the hands of Jack & Co.

I could see Hurley or Walt pulling the trigger, though. Although wouldn't siccing Sayid & Eko on him be good?
(no subject) - mediocrechick - May. 22nd, 2006 07:47 pm (UTC) - Expand
May. 22nd, 2006 07:28 pm (UTC)
Um...I'm not okay with it being 'Ooo, he killed someone, must die' because so did half the other castaways. Maybe it wasn't ON the island, and maybe it wasn't as unwarrented as him killing Ana (Libby was purely accidental, in all [unfortunate] honesty), but he's not the only murderer among them. We don't really know yet if his concience will get the better of him BEFORE they get to the Other's camp...perhaps he has another ace up his sleeve, it will be unclear until Wed.

At any rate, I think the torture of murder on one's soul is a much more fitting punishment than death. My opinion could very well change, however, depending upon the finale. I could be a Michael-hater on day too!

(also, I only picked shunning because I don't think exhile would be a strong enough reaction, and I doubt the castaways will simply kill him. And no punishment...well, there's GOT to be something)
May. 22nd, 2006 07:36 pm (UTC)
Yes, but they live in a closed community where he can't run or hide like back in the real world. And half the murders committed by the Lostaways aren't known to anyone but the murderer themselves, so there can't be any consequences other than their own guilty consciences. So to me, Michael's murders and any pre-island murders are entirely different and can't just be written off or backburnered.

Plus, the whole betrayal angle -- these people all need each other to survive and he's always just been out for himself and Walt this whole time. So I don't think Michael's changed at all, just what's at stake when he chooses Walt and himself over everyone else.

I don't see them starting a firing squad but they have to do something Michael -- refuse to feed him at the very list or give him the option to commit suicide or something. Sorry, I guess I'm pretty hardline about punishment, LOL!
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May. 22nd, 2006 07:38 pm (UTC)
Your poll has made me realize just how very bloodthirsty I am. I judged Michael, harshly and absolutely, after he shot Ana and Libby, but now that he's leading Jack and Hurley and Kate (yeah yeah, who am I fooling) SAWYER into God-knows-what kind of danger, all I can think about is wanting to see him die horribly. And not accidentally. I want him to be judged and executed. Maybe by Walt, heh, that'd teach Daddy Dearest, wouldn't it? Um, I'm scaring myself a little, so I'll shut up now.
May. 22nd, 2006 07:41 pm (UTC)
LOL! Right there with you! ;-) We can be bloodthirsty together!
(no subject) - inthekeyofd - May. 22nd, 2006 07:47 pm (UTC) - Expand
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May. 23rd, 2006 06:18 am (UTC)
LOL. Agreed ;) I'm no Michael fan. I am a fan of Harold, though, and I wonder why he ever signed on. Michael is easily the least interesting character he's ever played. This going dark thing is a pretty good twist, but it's got a built-in shelf life. If it's not leading up to his death, I will not be happy!
May. 22nd, 2006 08:03 pm (UTC)
Exile. At the very least. If they can't guarantee that exile will stop him from being a threat, then they need to bite the bullet and kill him. He's putting forty lives at risk and has no inkling of why that's wrong. Sawyer, Sayid...even Kate, whom I don't like even a little bit, all realize that what they are or were doing is wrong and that it's time to knock that shit off. All three have backslid to a certain degree, but they can still be more or less trusted to live in a society with other people. Michael can't.

And I agree with the above poster. If the big finale twist is that Walt kills Michael, I will scream and flail and declare it to be the best two hours of television ever.
May. 23rd, 2006 06:17 am (UTC)

You summed up my position perfectly. They cannot trust Michael. He has forfeited his right to live among them. The others, despite whatever they've done, can be trusted to live in society and can contribute without oh, sacrificing everybody for one person. (Well, OK, maybe not Locke so much.)

And if Walt kills Michael, I just might have to forgive them for this whole fucked-up season. That would be too damn awesome for words.
May. 22nd, 2006 08:19 pm (UTC)
I don't want him dead or of the show,I want Mikey to join the Udders,b/c that can make an excellent storyline:)

What's the worst thing Michael has done?
That is the hardest question to answer-he took 2 lives and showed no regret whatsoever.He has other choices,but being as troubled as he is right now,he can't see them.
I won't lie,but personally I feel bad only for Libby.But that was her karma,to be in wrong place at the wrong time.Ana deserved to die,maybe not killed by him,but still...Most possible,they'll write it off and blame it on "father will do anything for his son",which is a bullshit excuse.

Betrayal is worse than murder in his case.Right now,he is leading 4 of his,lets call them friends into a trap,knowing what Udders are capable of-among them,a man who saved his life and another naive and caring man,who was willing to help and even went searching for him,after the "accident" in "Hunting party".VERY bad.
Right now,I'm grateful for Sayid,who is the only one using his brain.
May. 23rd, 2006 06:21 am (UTC)
I would prefer to see Michael gone. I haven't missed him or Walt for a single second. And, frankly, the less we see of The Others, the better. The more we see of them, the less scary they get. Of course, who knows what's going to happen in the finale? Of course, if The Others get revenge on Michael for not bringing the 4 people on the list, I wouldn't have any problem with that!

And thank God for Sayid, definitely. He can see right through him. Jack is just too trusting. *sighs*

(no subject) - ellel - May. 23rd, 2006 05:31 pm (UTC) - Expand
May. 22nd, 2006 08:28 pm (UTC)
LOL, I put you up to this, didn't I? ;)
May. 23rd, 2006 06:23 am (UTC)
LOL. I was like, 'Damn, surely I'm not the only one who wants Michel to meet with swift, brutal justice!*
May. 22nd, 2006 09:10 pm (UTC)

Was going to reply all long & such, explaining why I think Mike should die a slow painful death or even get eaten by the island bears, but I can't stop freaking laughing.

Walt killing Michael = genius.
May. 23rd, 2006 06:24 am (UTC)
I would be thrilled to pieces if that happened! :-)
May. 22nd, 2006 09:54 pm (UTC)
What's the worst thing Michael has done?

Interesting question. My vote went to 'cold blooded murder'. I didn't like Ana Lucia. I liked Libby not I didn't love her, so I wasn't terribly upset. But the fact of the matter is, who I like and who I don't like doesn't matter. What matters is that Michael killed two innocent people (okay, one innocent person and one semi-innocent person). Betrayal is a horrible thing, but I'm pretty sure Kate and Hurley and Jack and Sawyer will be alive at the end of the season.

I do however, find it interesting that, according to Dante's Inferno, the deepest circle of hell is reserved for those who betray...Something to think about.
May. 23rd, 2006 06:27 am (UTC)
Very good points! You know, somehow I got away with never reading The Inferno! But Michael is headed to that deepest circle of hell, no question.

I don't doubt that our fave characters will still be alive, but for all Michael knows, he's handing them all over to be killed. So he's on the hook for that, as well. I can't believe anyone could possibly be on his side about this!

You're so right it doesn't matter who Michael killed. Because I'm thrilled they're both gone but that doesn't affect the fact that he needs to pay for what he did. And if he's gone too, then the show will be that much better. Trading Michael for Eko? Finally, the cast might be where it needs to be!
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May. 23rd, 2006 12:36 am (UTC)
Wow ... I'm a little surprised by all the Michael hatred here (ok, not really), and I agree with some of it to a point. He was interesting and sympathetic in the beginning ... I don't like how they stretched the Walt storyline (it made him boring and grating as hell), but killed Ana Lucia and Libby definitely gives him an edge, even if it takes away like for the character. I hated Al almost from the getgo and while I wasn't too hot on Libby, I did like her and was honestly shocked when she died too. I think it made more of an impression because her death was clearly more accidental, and the way Michael battled his guilt along with the fear of being found out? Awesome. As for which I'd prefer, Michael dying instead of facing what he's done, or living and getting away with it? I'd want him to live, but I hope to see reprecussions of his actions. Whatever his motivations, dude's knee-deep in shit, and he's gonna have to grab a shovel sooner or later. Hopefully sooner, but with this damn show ... *shrugs, knocks on wood*
May. 23rd, 2006 06:30 am (UTC)
Eh. I've never liked Michael, except when he had a storyline independent from just being Walt's crappy dad, when he was building the raft.

I've never found his storyline remotely interesting so there's zero residual sympathy on my end now that he's killing people and ready to betray more of his friends. (Even though I didn't give a rat's ass about Ana Lucia & Libby, doesn't affect how I feel about what he did.)

From an appreciating the actor standpoint, yes, it's good that Harold's finally getting a meaty plotline. But the end has to be him paying severely for his actions. They can't keep dragging this out can they? (Heh, I thought that about the custody battles too. And Locke's Daddy issues. Guess they never found a well they didn't want to go back to several times.)

I do hope Harold leaves the show because he deserves a better gig. This has to be the least satisfying part he's had in years. :-/

May. 23rd, 2006 01:41 am (UTC)
My reaction to this is sort of complex, due to the fact that season 2 is wavering dangerously close to a Lifetime Original Movie of the Week about men and their daddy issues. Call it the Three Faces of Michael.

I really, really liked Michael in Season 1. He was complex, identifiable, human, well-acted -- all that good stuff. The show is stuffed with father/son relationships, but I think that the Walt/Michael thing was one of the most believable and moving. The kidnapping on the raft really killed me. However, between the first season's finale and the second season's premiere, it seems that Harold Perrineau had some kind of stroke, which made him incapable of remembering anything outside of the two lines ("they took my boy!" and "WWWWAAAAAALLLLTTTT!") that his coaches had drilled into him phonetically. THAT guy, I have no use for.

However, now that he's a murderous fruit loop... call me sick, but I'm interested. At least he's widening his range.
May. 23rd, 2006 06:38 am (UTC)
I have both feet firmly planted in the "never liked him, still don't camp." I liked him very briefly when he had something to do besides whine about Walt (in bulding the raft) and the kidnapping of Walt was devastating. But yeah, S2 Michael has been nothing but a giant, selfish ass. The way he turned on Sawyer was ugly -- and a little preview of his actions now. He's always been capable of that kind of betrayal, whereas Sawyer, despite his many faults, is at least loyal and has some kind of honor.

I don't know why they write the parents on the show as so whiny and one-note. It's such a waste of Harold's talents! :-/ So, for his sake, I think he's better off if he leaves the show and gets a role that's better suited for him. I've never understood what made him agree to be on the show, frankly. They've finally given him something interesting to do, but it pretty much has to end with his death, doesn't it? I don't think it would be dramatically satisfying if it didn't. Locke's still alive, though, so I could be wrong. And consequences for one's actions aren't usually on the agenda for this show. >:-( But if they let this slide .... *shakes fist threateningly*

So in conclusion: Yay, Harold; Boo, Michael!

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