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Lost S3 poll

Inspired by Damon Lindelof's latest boneheaded comments.

Damon says new characters are always "the most engaging toy" to the audience


Lost's fixation with new characters is ruining (or has already ruined) the show


Lost is still the show I most look forward to each week

No, another show has that honor
Yes, I still can't wait for Wednesdays
Actually, Lost never was my favorite

Where did Lost go wrong?

Too many new characters
Too many characters to begin with
The flashbacks are played out
Too many dropped storylines
Killing off characters that still had a lot of potential
Inconsistent characterization
Splitting up characters
Sidelining characters
Too much emphasis on mysteries, etc.
Poor pacing
Other (explain in comments)
Hey, Lost hasn't gone wrong yet!

Who do you blame?

JJ - He's always jumping to other shows
Damon - He doesn't get why we love the original characters
Carlton - All that religious stuff is him, right?
I blame no one

If I could change one thing about Lost, it would be:

Rate S3 so far

As good as or better than S1
Worse than S1
As good as or better than S2
Worse than S2
Too early to tell

Assuming you think Lost isn't as good as it used to be: Can it ever be again?

Yes, I still have hope they'll turn it around
No, listen to what they're saying. They don't get their own show

It's deeply ironic that the flashbacks, which should work to open up the show and give us new storylines that we're not getting on the island, have been so repetitive, featuring the same characters over and over again. We get more restricted storylines in the past than on the island! What was supposed to be a deserted island has a ridiculous among of characters on it and it's a neverending stream! I'd like to see more variety in the backstories and more focus on original characters on the island, if it's not too late for that. They have it exactly wrong in their focus, if you ask me.



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Oct. 18th, 2006 08:59 pm (UTC)
I think Damon is one of those people who has this idea of where he wants the show to go and when he hears people disagreeing with him he puts his fingers in his ears and starts talking about how he thinks the show should go. He has a vision and expects that no one disagrees with him. Which is frustrating because it's very clear from the Ana Lucia situation of last year that sometimes things that work on paper, don't always work in practice. But Damon has obviously chosen to behave like a camel, burry his head in the sand, and ignore what went wrong last season. Which doesn't leave me with a great deal of optimism for the direction the show is headed in. I still enjoy it, and believe that Season Three is still better than Season Two so far, but...Damon makes me sigh and shake my head.

I think the fact that the show was more of a collaboration between JJ and Damon in the beginning and now JJ's off doing another project every freaking week and Damon now has taken over most of the production and the direction of the show...I can't help but think that has something to do with it as well.

I wish I could be more optimistic, I'm trying, but I read that quote and the first think I thought was, "Bull. Shit." How am I supposed to have hope for the direction of the show if the producer is so stubborn and dedicated to what he wants to put on the screen that he doesn't even listen to or care about what the audience thinks. *sigh* Whatever Damon. I'm sick of putting myself out there and trusting you for things like this to happen.
Oct. 18th, 2006 09:05 pm (UTC)
It's so depressing. They're pissing away the potential of one of the greatest TV shows of all time. They really don't get why it was a hit in the first place.

Damon is an idiot not to realize that his insistence on adding new characters is why so many people have stopped watching. It's impossible to have faith in a show that is intent on screwing over its fans like that.
Oct. 18th, 2006 09:20 pm (UTC)
For "Lost is still the show I most look forward to each week" I said "No, another show has that honor", but I really want to clarify that while I still love Lost, it was the #1 by far show for me, but now there are other shows that I'm finding just as amazing if not better in some ways, so while I do look forward to it a ton, I'd say I look forward to it as much as the other shows I watch.

I kinda keep gritting my teeth at what I don't like and keep the faith with the writers that they know where they're going. I'm a Red Sox fan - I'm good at staying true to lost causes. ;)
Oct. 18th, 2006 09:26 pm (UTC)
So the Red Sox are still the same team, even if they bring in a lot of new players and don't let the favorites up to bat? Takes away some of the fun of the game though, I imagine. ;-)

I think they can have occasional hits, but their approach is deeply misguided. I don't really want to buy box seats for the season, you know?
Oct. 18th, 2006 09:34 pm (UTC)
Haha that was this baseball season - too many people traded away and for a chunk of the end of the season most of the "favorites" were injured. Baseball, though, you cheer for the team, not necessarily the players, because players go where the money is but the team stays where the heart is. If that makes sense. I'm trying to bring this back to Lost but I guess I'm actually a better Sox fan than Lost fan because if they killed off certain characters on Lost I'd be done.
Oct. 18th, 2006 10:06 pm (UTC)
Hee, I know nothing about baseball, except that it bores me! And the Lost analogy continues ... :-/
Oct. 18th, 2006 09:44 pm (UTC)
They have it exactly wrong in their focus,if you ask me.
Can't agree more.

I'm a hopeless optimist and I wish Lost all the best and still hope one day the show'll be the same as before.But clearly,I'm in denial;)
I wish I could lie and say Lost is the show I'm waiting for every week-but I can't.I still love Lost,I really do,but there is another show that took Lost's place and I never believed this will happen! *sighs* I'm more excited about SPN these days,which receives 1/4th of Lost ratings,but keeps improving ALL THE TIME!

Damon is a stubborn fool,if you ask me-and I'm not sure he understands what his show is about anymore!I'm tired of all the changes they make and new unnecessary characters,I don't want new faces,no matter how hot they are!I loved S1,because of the original characters and the concept of modern men and women trapped on pretty much deserted island.And I'd give up both Eko and Des,the only worthy additions to the cast,if I could have S2 better than S1!I mean,he has at least 10 characters to work with,thats more drama material than enough,why bring new people?
Oct. 18th, 2006 10:09 pm (UTC)

It makes me very sad to hear they're going to keep going in this direction. They had so much material to work with, enough for years and years worth of stories. But instead they give us such boring flashbacks, they feel they have no choice but to bring in new characters.

I really would have preferred to see it be a show focused on the interaction of the existing castaways as they fight to survive and adapt. Instead we get something new each week. The backstories were the place to give us something new and different each week but those have become utterly boring and don't tell us anything new. That or they're turning our favorite characters into caricatures.

*sighs* I like Eko and Desmond as well but that's what, 25% of the new characters that are appealing? Not very good odds.
Oct. 18th, 2006 11:07 pm (UTC)
And LJ is not sending me e-mail notifications,wonderful:-/

I don't know what they're thinking,but IMO they care about the shock value and ratings more than about characters or storyline.

That or they're turning our favorite characters into caricatures.
Thats exactly how I feel.It's started with ruining Kate's character and now there are others.I mean,they've turned Sun into killer and I don't care about the circumstances.What next?Aaron has 666 somewhere on him?Jack is really a Doctor from Hell?Jin speaks English?
*rolls eyes*
Oct. 19th, 2006 12:36 am (UTC)
I really didn't like them turning Jack into a whiny stalker. He's basically Charlie Salinger all over again. All he does is cry anymore. :-/

IMO they care about the shock value and ratings more than about characters or storyline.

Agreed. As proven when Shannon's death had zero repercussions. :-(

Oct. 19th, 2006 11:41 am (UTC)
As proven when Shannon's death had zero repercussions. :-(

LOVE your new mood theme:D
Oct. 18th, 2006 10:23 pm (UTC)
I surprised myself by how cynical my answers were, though I do still think it's *possible* to turn the show around if only the viewers can get TPTB to hear them. So I guess it all boils down to, are Damon and Calton writing their show for themselves, or for the audience? If they're writing for themselves then they'll do any damn dumb thing they please and won't care if anyone else likes it, but if they're writing for us, then they need to listen up. I wish there was a way to get polls like this one into their hands and make them pay attention.

It makes me sad to see that 2 of the 4 people who brought me into the fandom have given up hope for its revival. I don't mean that as criticism in any way, I just mean that it makes me feel kinda bereft.
Oct. 18th, 2006 10:40 pm (UTC)
If they wake up and see the light, that would be a miracle at this point. I am still hopeful for the rare good episode (Sawyer!) but the direction they've mapped out isn't one I'm at all happy about.

Not to overdramatize it, but as a fan, Damon's attitude feels like your significant other suddenly telling you they no longer value monogamy. Guess the honeymoon is over.

Eh, I'll probably sulk a bit and then get over it. But see, Damon, the shiny new toys we're being distracted by these days aren't your new characters, they're other shows. Because we no longer believe in monogamy either.

Oct. 18th, 2006 10:46 pm (UTC)
But see, Damon, the shiny new toys we're being distracted by these days aren't your new characters, they're other shows. Because we no longer believe in monogamy either.


I just wrote my very first fic for another fandom, and I spent a lot of my Lostday happily playing in that fandom. That really doesn't bode well for my relationship with Lost, does it? *sigh*
Oct. 18th, 2006 10:48 pm (UTC)
*holds you*

We'll always have the fandom and we can always play with the characters, especially since their legal owners can't be trusted with them anymore!

It's good to have another creative outlet and/or shiny fandom! It definitely helps when you're disappointed in one thing to have another thing that makes you happy!

Oct. 18th, 2006 11:26 pm (UTC)
while i understand the way the season has started, all separate and whatnot, i still wish that they would bring things back to focusing on people, not just situations. not that i don.t love the situations on the island, i just miss the interaction between the characters. i mean, we have jack by himself, sawyer and kate, sayid/sun/jin. hopefully, tonight will fill my need for character interactions.

by the way, where is this coming from?. the podcast?. because i don.t remember hearing anything about this, although it is obvious that damon is a monkey who is obsessed with shiny new actors. like a kid, almost, like he gets tired of the toys from last christmas, so he has to constantly get more. hmmmm.
Oct. 18th, 2006 11:56 pm (UTC)
Damon, JJ and Carlton did an interview on Nightline, it was last night I think. Transcript was posted and I saw it excerpted on my flist. Damon talked about why they need to keep adding new characters. He's under the mistaken belief that that's what the audience likes best. *headdesk*

I agree, the show keeps selling out its characters because they don't act true to what we know of them, so often. I really miss the interactions, too. I don't know of any other show that isolates its characters so much. It really waters down the appeal of the show.
Oct. 18th, 2006 11:36 pm (UTC)
It really bugs me that there's so little accountability on the show. Considering the condensed timeframe (69 days so far) it's not exactly as if people would have forgiven and forgotten all the fucked-up stuff that's happened. When characters die, they're hardly mentioned after their lame-ass funerals. The characters just go along, acting as if they were never even there. And when major stuff happens in one ep, by the next ep it'll be as if it never did, for instance after Sawyer's gun con, the next ep did a terrible job of tying back to what would have been a huge upset in the balance of power w/in the group.

I think that the lack of accountability also plays into the insconsistency of characterization that we've seen, particularly w/Sawyer. I think Locke and Kate have also been shafted that way as well.

I don't know why I'm still optimistic. God knows, I can bitch and complain about how the show's gone wrong ad nauseum. Nonetheless, I still love it, and to me, it's still the best show I've ever watched. Though even as I type that a little voice in my head is whispering "Yeah, until they fuck it up some more."
Oct. 18th, 2006 11:52 pm (UTC)
Oh man, I couldn't agree more. The actions have no repercussions. And since the creators insist we won't remember stuff (which makes no sense -- because this is a show where they count on viewers to screencap and analyze the most obscure clues), the characters don't remember and if they do, they certainly don't hold a grudge.

I want to see the show where every action has an ongoing reaction, where the weight of their actions influence what characters do and say and how they treat each other. It's robbing the show of its depth and the characters of their integrity to just sweep everything under the carpet.


I wish they wouldn't make sweeping statements like this that reveal their true feelings because it's impossible for me to get on board with their approach.

Oct. 19th, 2006 12:58 am (UTC)
No, listen to what they're saying. They don't get their own show

I still try to hold out hope that Lost can still be a good show; it's not exactly a bad show, as much as it feels like it's going that way sometimes. But at this rate, I've pretty much lost faith altogether in them ever having another season as good as the first.
Oct. 19th, 2006 01:10 am (UTC)
I could hold out on hope from ep to ep but when you hear what their underlying attitude is, that's just so discouraging. Anymore, it seems like S1 was a fluke.

I've slowly seen most of my flist get fascinated by new shows and I can't blame them. Lost has stopped being the show you love the most.
Oct. 19th, 2006 09:42 pm (UTC)
Well, what do you expect from a guy who's background is in comic books and the other guy's claim to fame is Nash Bridges? There's your answer right there. And JJ? He's got Creative ADD. But I'm still addicted to this show. I still see a glimmer of hope.
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