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When is Jack going to find out that Juliet handcuffed herself to Kate so she could go along with her to the beach as fellow innocent Others' victim? And in so doing left HIM behind? She was totally willing to give up on Jack where Kate wasn't. I bet you anything it's never even going to get mentioned. >:-( Because c'mon here, who's got the greater loyalty to Jack? Someone he's known for three months who risked her life to save him or someone he's known for two weeks and who's been trying to break him and mindfuck him for at least 3/4 of that and doubtless still is, just a little more subtly?

Bleah. I don't get how anyone can think Juliet is good for Jack when she's clearly just out for herself.

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cmonkatiekatie
Apr. 5th, 2007 08:01 am (UTC)
Oh I don't think she's good for him. (not that you're speaking directly to me.) Part of why I'm on board for the Juliet thing is the potential for massive fuckedupedness. She's malicious and he's way too trusting for no good reason and I hope he does find out because I want to see what happens when he does. But given the writer's history of tucking things away they don't want to deal with them, I doubt we'll ever hear about it again.
halfdutch
Apr. 5th, 2007 08:14 am (UTC)
See, I can get on board sleeping with the enemy, that can be hot, in theory. Buffy/Spike, etc. But if you (general you) like Jack, I just can't see anyone wanting him to be with Juliet since she's so clearly going to hurt him worse than Kate ever could. Eh, I'm biased. But I don't get the appeal, either from casting or the way it's being presented. It sucks because it's kind of ruining Jack for me, that he can so blithely just trust her and throw his lot in with her instead of Kate.

But yeah, I hope he finds out just how deeply malicious she really is. And then has nothing whatsover to do with her again. But that's not going to happen is it? *sigh* I'm thinking now that whatever effort Kate or Sayid make to expose her is just going to make Jack defend her all the more.
cmonkatiekatie
Apr. 5th, 2007 08:33 am (UTC)
Here's the thing. And I'm sorry you get my brain dump, especially because I should really be sleeping at this point and I cant gaurantee coherency. You love me anyway, right?

I like seeing what happens when these people are thrown together. I like what comes of people who can pull these things out of other people. I like not knowing her end game because it's exciting for me to try and peice together. What I don't like is really not knowing where Jack is coming from. At all. I was willing to concede that he thought he was leaving to get help or whatever, because that's Jack. That's who we know him to be, the guy who does the right thing. Not that I have delusions about him not wanting to get off the Island period, but I think he wasn't even willing to fully admit that to himself. But yeah, the blind trust does sort of make me leery. I get him not wanting to leave Juliet on her own, because he's not that guy. But the end with Kate? (btw, was his gas stronger than theirs cause he was passed out a whole 12 hour period longer than those girls were). I don't buy that he could be that cold. I don't think Sawyer and Kate having sex is enough to make him not care about these people any longer.

mkay, now I'm gonna go back to thinking about Kate kicking Juliet's ass while Juliet mindfucks her - cause that I like.
cmonkatiekatie
Apr. 5th, 2007 08:37 am (UTC)
unless she was never drugged in the first place.

OMG Katherine, go to bed.
halfdutch
Apr. 5th, 2007 08:53 am (UTC)
Juliet couldn't have been drugged - she had to have dragged Kate out there herself! Unless ... it's part of a bigger Others' plan and they carried (or drove or something) them both out there.
halfdutch
Apr. 5th, 2007 08:47 am (UTC)
I guess it's hard to find characters interesting when they're either annoying you or boring you. :-/

And I can buy Jack wanting to get off the island, but blaming Kate is just stupid. She thought she was saving him. She's showing more loyalty to him than anyone else on the island and he acts like she drowned his cat! He should be pissed at Locke! Eh.
Whatever.

I don't think Sawyer and Kate having sex is enough to make him not care about these people any longer.

Word. That's too big a leap too take. Sorry, D&C. Not buying it.
missdarksoul
Apr. 5th, 2007 08:10 am (UTC)
I don't think that Juliette is good for him but Kate isn't either. I don't know who I would want to trust more, the person holding me hostage or the person who took out insurance then blew up her father.
halfdutch
Apr. 5th, 2007 08:16 am (UTC)
But Jack doesn't know the truth about Kate, even if Locke and Juliet do. And Kate's shown him a lot more loyalty than Juliet ever has. And hey, weren't you just knocking Juliet to me a minute ago?!

(Actually, now I'm thinking that if Kate reveals what Juliet did, Juliet can tell Jack how she killed her father. Hmmm. Total double blackmail. :-/)
missdarksoul
Apr. 5th, 2007 08:21 am (UTC)
I don't trust or like either of them ;) Though it must be different when Jack doesn't know what Kate did, but he at least suspects she killed someone. It's very wrong though that Jack got more caught up on Kate saying 'it belonged to the man i killed' then when Juliette tried to get him to kill Ben.

Though out of all the others I only like, Alex. Mostly because she isn't some random new character they are shoving down our throats. i lost my point again
emiliglia
Apr. 5th, 2007 11:05 am (UTC)
I don't get how anyone can think Juliet is good for Jack when she's clearly just out for herself.

Juliet's good for Jack the way Ana was good for Sawyer.
halfdutch
Apr. 5th, 2007 03:45 pm (UTC)
Ugh. This whole season is so contrived, just to get Jack and Juilet together. Blech. I'm not buying it for a second. The Jack we know would never do that.
isis2015
Apr. 5th, 2007 11:24 am (UTC)
When is Jack going to find out that Juliet handcuffed herself to Kate so she could go along with her to the beach as fellow innocent Others' victim?

I'm guessing he'll find out about that at the same time he finds out that Ana stuck her muddy boot in Sawyer's open bullet wound. So, the Tuesday after never then. :/ Which is irritating, but not unexpected.

I think the truth as to where Jack's loyalties lie will be easier to tell when he's back on the beach next week. I fully expect him to defend Juliet, and part of me wants him to just so I can see what is going on in his twisted little mind. I think we'll be able to get a better sense of Jack once he's back among the people that he's lived with for months and not those that took him prisoner (and messed with his mind). Hopefully the next episode will give us some answers. About Jack, I could care fuck all about the Others. :/
halfdutch
Apr. 5th, 2007 03:47 pm (UTC)
I'm guessing he'll find out about that at the same time he finds out that Ana stuck her muddy boot in Sawyer's open bullet wound. So, the Tuesday after never then. :/ Which is irritating, but not unexpected.


Bwah! Except, it's not much to laugh at. :-/ Blech. This drives me insane. This whole season has just been about driving Jack towards Juliet. THAT'S IT. That's their only agenda. :-( And it stinks.

I hope to God Jack comes to his senses and realizes where his loyalties should lie. Jack acting like makes no sense. If Sayid can't talk some sense into him, I don't know what's going to happen.
mysticxf
Apr. 5th, 2007 12:05 pm (UTC)
This is what confuses me about people who ship Jacket romantically. Nevermind "Jate"... Juliet is just a fishy character and I don't see why Jack seems to be siding with her.

And nothing ever gets completely cleared up on this damned island. Closest we got to "cleared up" was Sawyer admitting he met Jack's dad.
halfdutch
Apr. 5th, 2007 03:51 pm (UTC)
WORD. I guess people get off on that dynamic of "so wrong it's right" or something but if you really like Jack, how can you want him to get together with someone so completely untrustworthy who's definitely NOT looking out for his best interests. Kate is confused and kinda fickle, sure, but you can chalk that up to intimacy issues or whatever. She clearly doesn't mean Jack any harm whereas I wouldn't trust Juliet farther than I can throw her.

And as isis2015 pointed out above, we'll hear about Juliet's ploy when we hear about Ana grinding her dirty boot into Sawyer's open wound. Blech. I hate it when they have the characters do things only to further a contrived romance. I can buy Sawyer and Kate having sex, definitely. That never felt contrived to me. But Jack siding with Juliet rings all kinds of false. It's undermining who Jack is.
inthekeyofd
Apr. 5th, 2007 12:42 pm (UTC)
Before I finished reading this I was thinking...Juliet is only out for one thing..herself.

Personally, I don't think that Kate is all that great for Jack either, and you can blame the writers for this as well..she likes Jack, no she likes Sawyer, no she likes Jack..she needs not only some competition but to finally make up her mind..but then again, once it is, there is no saying the other person will be waiting for her.

Juliet is an other AN OTHER I think people have forgotten that, and while I like Juliet--only for the reasons that she really is brilliant and well, competition for Kate, I wouldn't trust her as far as AARON could throw her.

To be honest with you, I'd rather see Jack alone AND Sawyer alone than with either one of them. But at the same time, why Jack all of a sudden has some allegiance to Juliet I don't know, has she been banished by them now, was that brand their way of showing that, is it her Scarlet Letter..I don't know, but I totally understand your point, if Juliet was going to leave him behind and Kate wasn't..why is he being so adamant that she goes with them..maybe Jack sees her as a bevy of info or something??
zelda_zee
Apr. 5th, 2007 06:27 pm (UTC)
Interesting discussion. I can only agree that it isn't consistent characterization for Jack to turn his back on his friends, even given that Sawyer and Kate slept together. I simply don't believe that Jack is that petty and shallow to have that mean everything and the fact that Kate and the others came to rescue him - and were willing to risk their lives to do so - mean nothing. And maybe they did blow his chance to go home (that is, Locke did, not Kate), but the Jack whose character has been built over the first two seasons would still be able to see past that to Kate and Sayid's intention, which were to save him. The ONLY explanation that makes sense in terms of Jack's characterization is Stockholm Syndrome, but I really don't think the writers are gonna go with that. I think I'm going to have to for my own fic though, because unlike the Lost writers, inconsistent characterization actually bothers me.
demonqueen666
Apr. 5th, 2007 08:07 pm (UTC)
Jack needs to get off the pot, I swear. Not that Kate's all that great for him either, admittedly. Jack just has the worst taste in women, I guess.

Great taste in guys, though.
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