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Niggling thoughts after last night's Lost

I still have some questions after last night's episode, (besides the obvious ones, like what the fuck was Kate's original crime anyway? I think I'm leaning toward the popular "brutally killed my molesting daddy" angle, sadly because it does fit.)



-- Did anyone else think Kate was trying to poison Sawyer at first? He was the first one we saw drinking water last night. (Before the whole "if I want your spot, I'll take it" conversation.)

-- Kate must be *notorious* in her hometown if they knew her on sight at the hospital. The reaction to her being spotted was pretty extreme for someone who was just slightly suspiciously disturbing an elderly patient. I mean, backup called? Guns drawn?

-- Why wouldn't Kate want to stay on the island? There's virtually no chance of rescue and this way she's quite safe from prosecution and jail.

-- What exactly did Sawyer hope to find in her bag that would incriminate her? Did he just get lucky? (Er, not that way, sadly.)

-- Re: the firelit chat, was Sawyer just a) saying goodbye or was he b) saying he was sorry in an indirect way, c) trying to get laid, d) trying to make her feel bad?

-- Why didn't the science teacher speak up *sooner* about monsoon season?

-- Why was Ian Somerhalder's name still in the credits? Is that contractual or is that to avoid spoiling us in case he shows up again in a flashback -- or some other way -- in the finale?

-- Who can point me towards a cache of good Skate icons?

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gabrita
May. 12th, 2005 05:42 pm (UTC)
I know! You bring up good points. It's all crazy. Sometimes you just have to go with it. Like why the hell didn't that high school science teacher speak up sooner? Because it is more interesting when they wait until the very last minute for the drama of "You should've left yesterday!"
halfdutch
May. 12th, 2005 05:58 pm (UTC)
Oh, I know it's pointless to cavil about stuff like that. ;-D
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ficangel
May. 12th, 2005 05:43 pm (UTC)
1. Were it not for Michael getting sick in the previews, hell yes.

2. I think that Kate has a long, long rap sheet and they were posting guards just on the off chance that she would come and try to see her mother, but that backup wasn't called until Diana started freaking out and they were sure that it was her. She got through with the flowers easily enough earlier.

3. I'm not sure that she does know that, and she might be trying to hedge her bets. That, and it looks like running, in both the literal and metaphorical senses, is almost a pathology with her.

4. She was burning Joanna's picture off the passport when Sawyer went to confront her earlier. Our Sawyer's a savvy, perceptive guy.

5. The first three, I think. Maybe a small dash of the last. Josh and his expressive eyes came through again, putting more in there than was found in the script alone.
halfdutch
May. 12th, 2005 06:00 pm (UTC)
1. I'd seen the previews too, but it did end up that Michael wasn't the intended target, so that was my assumption there.

2. Sounds like they were waiting for her at the hospital. Yep. So was she *originally* blonde, then? And the brunette is the disguise?

3. I agree, it's a pathology with her.

4. Sawyer *is* a savvy, perceptive guy. I KNEW he knew the whole time. And I love that.

5. Josh and his expressivve eyes can confront me any damn time!

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enigmae
May. 12th, 2005 05:44 pm (UTC)
I thought Kate's crime was already shown in another of her flashback episodes. Were we supposed to think she wasn't caught then?
halfdutch
May. 12th, 2005 06:01 pm (UTC)
They showed the bank robbery, but that was later on, so she could get the plane back. (Urgh.)

We still don't know what her original crime that had her on the run was.
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enigmae
May. 12th, 2005 05:48 pm (UTC)
-- I figured Kate doesn't want to stay on the island for the same reason no one else does. She wants to have a life in the "real world", even if that means disguising herself and hiding from the law.

-- I thought maybe Sawyer saw Kate melting the other woman's passport and that's what he was looking for.

-- The firelit chat - when he said "Nothing worth staying for"...I took that as being very pointed in saying that she wasn't worth staying for. That he somehow had lost his respect or his connection with her. Or maybe he was daring her to prove him otherwise.
halfdutch
May. 12th, 2005 06:03 pm (UTC)
The firelit chat - when he said "Nothing worth staying for"...I took that as being very pointed in saying that she wasn't worth staying for. That he somehow had lost his respect or his connection with her. Or maybe he was daring her to prove him otherwise.

(nods) I think if she had played it differently, there could have some acknowledgement of how much they have in common. Or, um, le hot sex. (turns to fanfic to fill the void)
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frooshoo
May. 12th, 2005 05:54 pm (UTC)
I'm thinking that is what her crime was too..especially after her mother was screaming for help and the clues about her always wanting to run away.

I swear I was thinking the same thing about Ian's name in the credits.

I think that Sawyer was trying to find the poison in her bag, I still think she was trying to frame Sawyer, and how better to get on the raft but to use Sun's concern for Jin.

Sorry, but the highlight for me was when Sawyer said to her that there was nothing to stay on the island for.
halfdutch
May. 12th, 2005 05:58 pm (UTC)
Don't get me wrong - I loved that line too!! I loved that whole scene and was squeeing throughout. ;-D

Did Josh rock it, or what? Even Evie - despite what you may think of her acting skills - was very good in it too. I just wanted to see what other people's take on it was.

I'm picturing some Skate goodbye sex right about now.

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guineverekay
May. 12th, 2005 07:07 pm (UTC)
I think that he was saying that she for damn sure wasn't worth staying on the island for and it makes me very happy that other people see it that way too :) There was a lot of smackdown laid in this ep and I was digging that even though I could really give a rats ass about Kate and her tale of woe.
halfdutch
May. 12th, 2005 07:28 pm (UTC)
I actually cared about Kate more than in earlier Kate-centric episodes. And the quality of writing - the confrontations and revelations - was so satisfying I'm almost willing to give them a pass on leaving us hanging on her crime -- AGAIN!

But it was the Sawyer stuff that had me the happiest, of course. Sooo angsty! And how happy was I that for once he could prove he didn't do something? No wonder he was near the breaking point after all those accusations!
missdarksoul
May. 12th, 2005 08:19 pm (UTC)
he was in the credits to give the fan girls false hope. gotta agree who waits to a day after they should set sail to tell them. it made me laugh how he was treating everyone like students, he's so my year 9 science teacher! maybe Sawyer is psychic
halfdutch
May. 13th, 2005 07:25 am (UTC)
Sawyer is special too! ;-D

I understand the drama of waiting til the last minute but eh, we still gotta ask those pesky questions, right?
yorda_
May. 12th, 2005 08:41 pm (UTC)
Hi, you don't know me, but I read your post via the friends page of lost_slash :)

-- Did anyone else think Kate was trying to poison Sawyer at first? He was the first one we saw drinking water last night.

I definitely got the feeling Kate was just using Sun to get a place on the raft. She probably didn't care who it was that got sick, and knew that if anyone found out there was poison in the water, Sawyer would be the one who everyone accuses... The bottles all looked alike and were stuffed into a backpack, including the one with poisoned water (Whose backpack was it anyway?), so the chances of Jin alone drinking from that bottle were pretty small to begin with.

Btw, I love your Jack/Sawyer fics <3
halfdutch
May. 13th, 2005 07:26 am (UTC)
You're right. It probably didn't matter *who* got sick, to Kate. But surely Sun would have realized that someone else was just as likely to get sick as Jin.

Aw, I'm glad you like the J/S. ;-D
cmere
May. 12th, 2005 10:06 pm (UTC)
1. It seemed like a pretty small town...that was my impression of it, I don't know why. So maybe it's not too weird.

2. The thing that struck me the most was when she just smacked the hospital guard guy upside the head. Okay, say she killed her molesting daddy and ran from the law. Did she become a hardened sociopathic criminal along the way? I'm just completely unsure about her background right now and it's making me itchy.

3. I heard in the finale there's a shot of them all getting on the plane or somesuch, so I assume that's why Ian's still up, though someone pointed out to me that when Claire went missing Emilie's name didn't show on the credits? Is that true, do you know? And then when she came back her name came back? *ponders*
halfdutch
May. 13th, 2005 07:28 am (UTC)
1. Yep, a small town where they all knew her makes sense.

2. Somewhere between her original crime that made her flee town, she learned to be a badass! ;-D

3. Interesting -- I think Emilie was only a guest star for part of the season anyway. I could be wrong about that. Aw, that scene is going to be so sad! (sniff)
foxxcub
May. 12th, 2005 10:27 pm (UTC)
Dude, why didn't we cover this last night, LOL? ;D

I'm telling ya, I still think Sawyer was apologizing.

And yeah, why *didn't* Art speak up sooner? Uh dude, we've been working on this raft for, like, WEEKS and you couldn't say anything?! *Cut to Art being flogged*

I'm sure Ian's got a contract and we'll just see his name until the season ends. But good point o.O
halfdutch
May. 13th, 2005 07:30 am (UTC)
I always have my best thoughts the next day! Plus you had more time to digest the ep than I did. I basically hit "don't delete" on my TiVo and then hit "dial" to talk to you. ;-D

Art coughplotdevicecough. Oh well. Ratchet up the old drama. Works for me. As long as we get such great Sawyer angst I'm a happy, happy fangirl.


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demonqueen666
May. 12th, 2005 10:52 pm (UTC)
-- Re: the firelit chat, was Sawyer just a) saying goodbye or was he b) saying he was sorry in an indirect way, c) trying to get laid, d) trying to make her feel bad?

I think it was something along the lines of a and b, though I get the feeling there were a lot more complicated emotions involved than just that. It was almost like he was making one last ditch attempt to connect with her, one last plee for some understanding.

-- Why didn't the science teacher speak up *sooner* about monsoon season?

Because otherwise it wouldn't be nearly as dramatic, silly! Duh.
halfdutch
May. 13th, 2005 07:32 am (UTC)
It was almost like he was making one last ditch attempt to connect with her, one last plee for some understanding.

I agree. I think maybe Sawyer didn't even know what he wanted from her. (Well, sex, of course, but canonwise - could be just closure.) He was disappointed in her, and he had every right to be. AT LAST _ Sawyer is in better standing than Kate is. Because she's a liar and a manipulator and he's just a rascally hoarder who likes ot mix it up a little.

ada_farrow
May. 12th, 2005 11:30 pm (UTC)
Why wouldn't Kate want to stay on the island? There's virtually no chance of rescue and this way she's quite safe from prosecution and jail.
Well, I wouldn't want to stay on a creepy slash dangerous island. I mean, I would rather take my chances in civilization trying to stay on the run were I her. But what if everyone was rescued...are Kate, Locke, and Walt going to stay on the island alone? Haha. And let's not forget that Kate was originally part of the "beach group" in the first episodes.

Why was Ian Somerhalder's name still in the credits? Is that contractual or is that to avoid spoiling us in case he shows up again in a flashback -- or some other way -- in the finale?
Yeah I thought about this one, too. I'm sure it'll be on there through the end of the season probably. Maybe it's a contractual thing. Don't really care about it.
halfdutch
May. 13th, 2005 07:39 am (UTC)
Hey - are your finals over?

Kate, Locke and Walt - on the island alone. Hah! (Random new thought) I'm not sure what Walt is thinking about his ol' buddy Locke anymore. Last ep, he stayed away from him, like he was scared of him now. When he went to find Locke, I thought he was going to accuse him of poisoning his dad, not assure him that he (Walt) hadn't done it! Then when he touched him - he got freaked out again, not by Locke, but by the vision of the hatch. Whatever THAT is. Anyway, I don't think he's really trusting Locke anymore, just not wanting to be suspected of the deed. And then he confided in his dad - I think that means his ties to Locke are broken now. Especially if they're leaving.

No big deal on the Ian credit thing. Just thought when we saw his name that would mean he'd actually be in this episode. Credits can be kind of spoilery sometimes, so maybe they should treat them more like movie credits and put them at the end.

mediocrechick
May. 13th, 2005 02:07 am (UTC)
Sorry to come to the discussion late.....got caught up with actual work stuff.....

Anyhoo, here's my two cents:

1. I thought actually it was Walt who poisoned the water....with his record of burning things and conjuring up polar bears and all.

2. I don't think the people at the hospital necessarily recognized her. I think the guns were drawn because she assaulted an officer (and the police probably didn't know if Tom was with her willingly or not, y'know?)

3. I think it would have been easier for Kate to run off if she was one of the first castaways rescued. Michael, Walt, Jin and Sawyer would have told the rescuers that there was a marshall who died and probably had a prisoner with him. The rescuers would have to check all the passengers who they were and make sure they weren't wanted for something. Obviously, Kate would have been found (where would she hide on the island?)

4. Sawyer probably saw what she was doing to Joanne's passport. (I'm guessing) And he knows that Kate ain't the most truthful person on the island and probably hiding something in her personal belongings.

5. I think he was trying to say sorry but in his smart-alecky way. And he is leaving....so goodbye to you, Freckles.

6. Science teacher is a moron. Or he doesn't have a very good calendar.

7. I'm guessing it's in his contract. Full season means full season. And they are showing some scenes from when they're boarding the plane in the finale so he's probably showing up there.

8. Don't know anyone who has Skate icons, sorry.
halfdutch
May. 13th, 2005 07:34 am (UTC)
1. Hmm. I thought Kate until it was too obvious and then I thought of Locke - who hit Sayid on the head after all, and ruined the transmission. Although he wasn't going to stop the whole boat from going, so that wouldn't make much sense, I guess.

2. So you think the guard stationed outside in the hallway wasn't there waiting in case she came to visit her mom? I could go either way on that.

Aw, no Skate icons! Maybe after this ep. I've seen some from The Kiss but I never snagged any. ;-D Back then I didn't even have a paid account! Wait - I wasn't even on LJ until November!
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halfdutch
May. 13th, 2005 07:43 am (UTC)
Hmmm. That's a possibility, but I think if mom was crazy, she would just be in restraints - not under police guard. It does seem more likely they were there to catch Kate if she came. but then again - why not lay low instead of being so obvious? Maybe they weren't there in connection with Kate at all and she just instinctually hid from a policeman when she saw one. And then the guy who nabbed her later recognized her and raised the alarm.

I think her mom was possibly drugged and also dying and genuinely scared of Kate. Because she must have done something BAD. Like kill her father. (Even if he deserved it.) But since that's what we're all guessing, it might end up being something else. Either that or we should all be writing fo the show! ;-D

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