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Lost: The Variable polls


If Daniel dies in 1977...

He is dead, period.
18(50.0%)
His 2007 self is completely unaffected
6(16.7%)
I have no idea!
11(30.6%)

When did you begin to suspect that Widmore was Daniel's father?

Ages ago
19(52.8%)
Early on in this episode
13(36.1%)
Not until Widmore said so
4(11.1%)

Penny is Daniel's sister!

So much for my epic Penny/Daniel romance!
2(5.6%)
No *wonder* she's Desmond's constant
29(80.6%)
Somehow, she's always known
5(13.9%)

Biggest bitch of a mother?

Eloise Hawking
16(43.2%)
Margot Shephard
0(0.0%)
Diane Austen
3(8.1%)
Emily Locke
3(8.1%)
Sabrina Carlyle
4(10.8%)
Amy Goodspeed (Ethan's mom)
0(0.0%)
Ellis Grey... whoops, wrong show!
2(5.4%)

Daniel and Jack can bond over:

Half-sisters and nephews appearing out of the woodwork
8(22.2%)
Their love of piano
4(11.1%)
Their love of women with freckles
1(2.8%)
Their bitches of mothers
1(2.8%)
Their love of Jack Daniels *nudge nudge*
1(2.8%)

What's the time line here?

Daniel returns to island via freighter, leaves, then returns to 1977
9(25.0%)
Daniel returns to island in 1977, dies, then future self returns via freighter
7(19.4%)
I don't have a clue!
14(38.9%)
Some other series of events (which I will explain in comments)
5(13.9%)

Daniel's biggest mistake:

Trusting his mother
2(5.4%)
Believing he could change the past
8(21.6%)
Believing he could make people believe in time travel
4(10.8%)
Not bringing his own bomb with him
4(10.8%)
Having the bad luck to be born to evil parents
8(21.6%)

Sawyer's biggest mistake:

Helping Kate with Ben
1(2.7%)
Not paying off Phil somehow
3(8.1%)
Not killing Phil
0(0.0%)
Not running ASAP when he realized the jig was up
5(13.5%)
Not answering the door with a gun EVERY time
1(2.7%)
Not taking the sub off the island
1(2.7%)
Jumping off the copter
0(0.0%)
Shaving off the scruff
3(8.1%)
Getting on Flight 815
0(0.0%)
Sawyer is never wrong!
3(8.1%)

What's going to happen to Sawyer now?

Island torture session, take 27
3(8.1%)
Radzinsky beats Sawyer until Juliet admits she loves him (that is, all of 2 seconds)
1(2.7%)
Rescued by Sayid
5(13.5%)
Rescued by Richard
2(5.4%)
Juliet will save him somehow
9(24.3%)
I can't watch!
1(2.7%)
Horrible cliffhanger a la S1 finale
3(8.1%)

Jack's got a gun!

And all is right with the world
1(2.7%)
Finally, some action!
3(8.1%)
Duck!
12(32.4%)
So does Kate *draws hearts around them*
3(8.1%)
Must be May sweeps
9(24.3%)

Desmond's okay!

Wait, I thought he was fine *last* time
2(5.4%)
Hallelujah!
8(21.6%)
Ho hum
3(8.1%)
For now. *awaits HIC's fate*
14(37.8%)

Comments

elise_509
May. 1st, 2009 02:28 am (UTC)
Daniel timeline!

Daniel is born, plays piano, does math stuff, fries his brain, goes to the island via freighter, gets sent back in time to 1974 whilst on island, leaves the island in 1974 on Sub to go to Ann Arbor, also on 1974 time. Comes back to island in 1977 via sub where he then goes to find his mother and gets shot and is killed. End story. Curtain. Finale.
halfdutch
May. 1st, 2009 04:30 am (UTC)
Okay, what confuses me is his mother convincing him to go back -- that seemed to take place circa the Freighter assignment. But her regret about it seemed to apply to knowing she was sending him to his death... which happened in 1977.
elise_509
May. 1st, 2009 05:33 am (UTC)
Think about it this way. The Daniel who is killed in 1977 is Present!Daniel. Let's say, thirty year old Daniel for clarity's sake.

Eloise kills Daniel and then realizes that she just killed her future son. So she actually meets and kills her fully grown son before she raises him, tells him to go back.

Thus she already knows that in 2005 at age 30, he's going to go BACK to 1977 and be killed by her. Because SHE LIVED IT already. It already happened. Her timeline is linear. It's like this:

Eloise has Daniel in 1975 ---> in 1977, Future/Present!Daniel comes to her camp and she shoots him. ---> Realizes what Daniel's fate is and that she cannot change it, it needs to happen for the island for some reason ---> raises Daniel to fulfill his fate ---> in 2005, sends him to the island on the freighter knowing, essentially, that SHE has already killed him ---> in 2008, convinces the O6 to go back.

Daniel's timeline circles back in on itself like so: Born in 1975 ---> goes to island in 2005 --->goes back to 1977--->dies. Even though he goes back, his timeline is still only moving forward, if you know what I mean. The Daniel who dies is Present!Daniel. It has no affect whatsoever on any of Daniel's life that has come before it.

The trick is to just remember that everyone experiences their timeline according to their linear structure. For Daniel and all the Losties, 1977 is their present. They've left 2008 and moved to 1977. They can exist in two places at once, like Miles who is both a child and an adult in the same place and time, because his past and his present selves are located now in the same time.

Whereas Eloise has only ever moved in one direction in time. 1977 is her past. 2008 is her present. Everything the Losties and Daniel are doing in their present, has already happened for her because it's her past.

I don't know if that helps at all. I hope it does!


zelda_zee
May. 1st, 2009 05:55 am (UTC)
*butts in*

This explanation was helpful to me. I actually hadn't really ever tried to think it through in detail. I just kind of go along with everyone's lives proceeding forward no matter what year it is and figure if it doesn't make sense, that's just cuz it's Lost. I don't actually expect Lost to make sense!

Thanks for the explanation!
alemyrddin
May. 1st, 2009 07:19 am (UTC)
*nods*
Exactly what I though, but I'd never be able to put it so clearly.
halfdutch
May. 1st, 2009 07:29 pm (UTC)
That does help although it also makes my head hurt! And I don't want to accept that Daniel is, in fact, dead. :-( And that his mother knowingly planned for his death his entire life. Gah, that breaks my heart.

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