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GoT question...



RIP Robert, you fat bastard.

So... why couldn't Ned just blurt out that Joffrey isn't even Robert's son? Would it have done any good? Is just sitting in the throne enough to *get* you that throne? And what's in it for Petyr (besides being on the winning side)? Would he have really backed Ned if Ned has taken his advise and seized power?

And, er, is that Uncle Stark's hand Snow brought back?

I'm surprised that Jorah wasn't the assassin paid to take out Dany. Or did he just betray Robert to back Dany? And yegods, what a pot of trouble Robert stirred up there!

I don't have access to HBO Go, but I'm glad I didn't have to wait two weeks for the next episode now!

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zelda_zee
May. 31st, 2011 03:35 am (UTC)
I love Robert, especially in the series. He's a failure in oh-so-many ways, but what a great character! Mark Addy just knocked that performance out of the park. His Robert was, I think, better than the character from the novel. Robert and Ned's relationship is so completely believable to me, I love it.

I think Cersei moved too quickly to allow Ned to speak the truth about Joffrey's parentage. Ned was planning to tell Robert, but then didn't want to go there with him on his deathbed. Later, I think things just moved too fast. And with everyone against him, it wouldn't have mattered what he said at that point.

All Petyr cares about is being on the winning side. I do think he would have preferred to back Ned, because a part of him likes Ned despite himself, but he would never allow sentiment to win out over his own best interests. And, with Ned out of the way, he's got to figure he'd have a chance with Catelyn.

Not telling about the hand the wolf found. Wait and see!

Jorah was a double-agent but maybe he drew the line at assassination? Or maybe Varys didn't want Jorah's cover blown. Either way, he made his choice and fortunately it was the right one.
halfdutch
May. 31st, 2011 04:23 am (UTC)
Thanks for the insight!

I agree, it didn't seem like Ned really had the opportunity, either at Robert's death bed or there in court with swords drawn, to reveal the truth about Joffrey. Too bad!! One thing you can't say about this show is that it's ever slow!!

It was a bit hard for me to see Mark Addy as more than a comic actor at first, but he was very good. I'm a bit shocked at the body count so far but as I said, that plot just keeps on rolling along! And I did enjoy his relationship with Ned a lot. Poor Ned wouldn't be in this bind if Robert hadn't liked him so much, though! Ouch.

Petyr is definitely looking out for number one, always. He seems to get off more on power manipulations than his own whores, yes?

Jorah seems very savvy. I'm just kind of breathless over the size of the events that have been set in motion with this episode!
zelda_zee
May. 31st, 2011 05:00 am (UTC)
Ha-ha, the body count at this point is small! It just grows & grows...
halfdutch
May. 31st, 2011 05:04 am (UTC)
Oh, I'm not complaining! I've just been jaded by all those other realllllyyyy sloooooooowwww HBO shows.
vixerunt
May. 31st, 2011 04:02 am (UTC)
I saw some awful spoilers for this show (Yaaaargh!) and one was that Robert died. The other death I saw makes me beyond frustrated and has pretty much ruined one of the big arcs on the show for me - but I won't say who or what in case you aren't spoiled/haven't read the books. I am not a spoiler whore for shows like this. It's best to be surprised. I'll have to bring up the old Lost barricade and avoid reviews and comments on major sites until the season ends!

And can Ned Stark catch a break in the last three episodes? Please? Poor bastard.
halfdutch
May. 31st, 2011 04:26 am (UTC)
THANK YOU! I don't want to be spoiled! (And haven't read the books, so I appreciate your discretion!)

I am rather amazed at the body count so far and the breakneck pace but very much enjoying it. I hope this upcoming death won't also sour me on the whole thing! Being spoiled sucks if you didn't want to be. :-/

Man, poor Ned! If only he were a bit more of a political animal, but he's so noble and honorable it's going to get him and his whole family killed! Except then I really would be soured on the series!
vixerunt
May. 31st, 2011 04:42 am (UTC)
Not a problem. Believe me, you don't want to know this spoiler. It's huge. Avoid places that might reveal it like the plague! I found out that blondie Prince (killed by the gold bath) was going to die too the day before the episode aired because his fangirls were wailing about it on a website I frequent. So lame!
halfdutch
May. 31st, 2011 04:51 am (UTC)
Thank you! I've been going on wikis some to get some needed context but I think most of them have a no-spoiler-for-the-show policy! Very lame indeed, hon.

ETA: Wait, Viserys had fangirls?!! That's very hard to believe!

Edited at 2011-05-31 04:52 am (UTC)
vixerunt
May. 31st, 2011 02:29 pm (UTC)
Oh yes. They had icons that said "Goodnight, sweet prince." I think it might have been a joke. I hope at least! hahah
elise_509
May. 31st, 2011 05:58 am (UTC)
I enjoy GoT enough, but one of the things I hate about it is how characters are offed so quickly. I mean, I kind of read the first book so I know what's coming, but still, it's a hard show/series of books to get invested in because people are always getting killed. And I know it's like, "Well, that's how things happen, it's medieval, people die!" but I like getting attached to characters, and GoT makes that a dire proposition.
halfdutch
May. 31st, 2011 06:05 am (UTC)
True, I haven't been attached to anyone who's died yet, except the animals! But I was happy to see Viserys go, just surprised it happened so quickly. I guess I need to stop being surprised at how quickly people are getting offed. It's actually welcome to me at this point, after suffering through more high-brow and slower-paced shows. This pace is like 24's!
rogueapprentice
May. 31st, 2011 05:10 pm (UTC)
The thing about Ned is that he's...oh, how did that one reviewer put it? He's playing checkers on a chess board, and what's worse, he assumes everyone else is, too. He's honorable and he assumes everyone else will be just as honorable. It's something that Martin likes to emphasize, that just because someone is a good man, it absolutely does not mean they're a good leader, or that they'd make a good ruler (example: just a person opinion here, no spoilers, but Tywin Lannister is a dickhead of monstrous proportions, but he'd get shit done on the throne).

If Ned had acted when and how Renly (and Littlefinger) advised him to, I think yes, they'd have definitely backed him...but he waited too long, he gave Cercei the opportunity to act first.

I...honestly can't remember the thing about the hand that Ghost found. Hubby says it was in the books but I honestly can't remember (I think I was fangirling Jon too hard to think straight. >.> I mean he's always been a favorite of mine and the show is making it hard for me to remember that my feelings towards him are maternal. MATERNAL!! :-S).

I think Jorah has a thing for Dany. He betrayed her, got his pardon for it, but when he realized the assassination was going down right now, he couldn't let it happen. I didn't think a whole lot about Jorah one way or the other in the books but I have to say I am loving him on the show.
halfdutch
May. 31st, 2011 05:29 pm (UTC)
Very apt analogy for Ned. He really is playing the game all wrong and to say he's playing the wrong game altogether is dead on. (BTW: Comparing Jack Shephard to him seems inapt now -- I think Jack was able to play a few games, although he wasn't always that good at it, LOL. He recognized the need for deception and making tough choices now and then, things I have yet to see Ned do. The only wisdom Ned's really shown is in telling Catelyn to wait on Tyrion and of course she had to ignore that very sage advice!)

Cersei is very, very good at playing the game, especially given her big, ugly secret!

Mmm, how old is that actor playing Jon Snow? He does seem young! But very pretty.

I agree, Jorah is very intriguing on the show. I warmed to him and Littlefinger right away, in terms of being great characters but definitely not sure which way their loyalties lie. Jorah is making some more emotional choices which end up being right, while Littlefinger will always make the smartest decision, no matter what he'd *like* to do. I wish Ned had listened to him!

BTW: When I saw the eunuch coming to visit Ned in his cell (in the preview for the next ep), he looked like Sam from the wall guard for a minute! Which actually seems possible, if Snow were able to help his father at all.

And I'm curious how Littlefinger's new whore (what *is* her name?), the one Theon likes, plays into things. She seems connected to just about everyone now.
rogueapprentice
May. 31st, 2011 06:33 pm (UTC)
Cercei is certainly better at the game than Ned, but IDK if she's nearly as smart as she thinks she is--mainly because she feels all this entitlement. Again, just a personal opinion! I think Littlefinger and Varys (the eunuch) both are better players than she is.

Kit Harington, who plays Jon, is 24. Of course the character is still, like, what...seventeen? Yeah I still feel pervy. >.>

I think you mean Ros, and IDK WHERE they're going with her. She wasn't in the books! She seems to be there just to give Theon and Littlefinger someone to spout exposition at, LOL.
halfdutch
Jun. 2nd, 2011 05:07 am (UTC)
I did not at all gather than Jon is supposed to be 17! Perhaps I was distracted by the pretty.

She seems to be there just to give Theon and Littlefinger someone to spout exposition at, LOL.

Heh. And Tyrion as well!
rogueapprentice
Jun. 2nd, 2011 01:38 pm (UTC)
He was FOURTEEN when the books started out, and I think they aged everyone up 2 or 3 years. So yeah. >.>
gottalovev
Jun. 1st, 2011 01:32 pm (UTC)
saying Joff was a bastard in the context he was without solid proof would have had him beheaded on the spot for treason... Poor Ned. He's really not made for those games and way over his head.

Petyr... he looks out for himself first, that what happens. He saw Ned was not ready to do what it takes and took the winning side. he always will.

the hand :) can't wait to see more. ha ha ha! I'm not saying, though.

waiting 2 weeks is hell. HELL! lol!
halfdutch
Jun. 2nd, 2011 05:06 am (UTC)
saying Joff was a bastard in the context he was without solid proof would have had him beheaded on the spot for treason...

Good point. *nods* It was just not the time or place. I wonder, though, if Ned has hustled his way to the throne and actually seated his ass in it and had *his* guards in place if that would have helped his case! He's had a lot of men die for him. Oops. :-/

Petyr may yet do the right thing... if it suits him!

At least we know the mysterious hand is not the hand of the King, LOL! ;)
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