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Lost pilot thoughts (on rewatching)

Well, I was gonna post this to lost_rewind but it's not allowing any commenting, apparently. (shrug)



I've watched the pilot a few times, but here's some newish thoughts.

In retrospect, why would Jack leave all the other survivors and go off alone to tend to his wounds? Did he think he'd be able to sew himself up on his own at first, until he actually got a look at his wound? Good thing Kate came along when she did. (cough*plotcontrivance*cough) Oh well, it got us shirtless Foxy (and one lone manly tear) so I'm not complaining.

The first shot we see is of Sawyer - 11 minutes in, lighting a cigarette and looking pissed. ;-D Anyone ever see a glimpse of him prior to that?

When Sayid says his name it doesn't sound like "Sigh eed" but "Sigh id" yet later on everyone pronounces it with the long "e" sound.

Minute 19: First of approximately 100 times Kate says "I'm going with you." ;-D

Big percussive sound as we cut to black after the monster appears and Charlie says "Terrific." Must make a note of how often Lost does that.

I have always been in the "Locke is Creepy" camp. Ever since the Sinister Orange Smile.

Why did they even ever introduce Rose? They could have easily given all her scenes to another character. Oh right, so we can have Samuel L. Jackson in Season 2. Meh. Really terrible way to juggle a large cast, dudes.

Pet peeve: Anyone saying "Let's do this." (As Jack does when approaching the cockpit.) Who ever says that in real life unless you're quoting someone who said it on TV or in a movie? Although even worse is "Let's do this thing." (eyeroll)

Did they ever deal with the bodies in the front section of the plane? Guess they just rotted there.

You know, we saw about as much of the monster here as we do in the finale - here it's just a giant shadow outside the plane.

Aw, why doesn't Kate stay in Jack's arms when he pulls her into the cockpit? Silly girl!

And Does anyone else find it odd that the producers of *Chicago* are the ones who are behind the "Empire" miniseries?

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eponine119
Jun. 2nd, 2005 06:02 am (UTC)
I think I saw Sawyer when Jack first hits the crash scene. There's a blond guy in a blue t-shirt running down the wing away from the fuselage. You can't see him too well, but it looked like Sawyer to me.

I was thinking that about the front section of the plane, too. They never seemed to salvage from it or anything. Seems like there might be survivors from the front section of the plane, it landed pretty much intact.
halfdutch
Jun. 2nd, 2005 09:10 am (UTC)
I slo-mo'd that bit on my TiVo and I don't think it is Sawyer. That guy is blond and the blood on his head is in the right spot to be Sawyer, but his shirt looks like it has a collar and buttons, so more of a Polo shirt than a T-shirt. And Josh is wearing his blue tee over a longer-sleeved black tee. (Obsessive much? ;-D)

I think they should have salvaged more from that portion of the plane but then again, it was Monster Central. Still, you think they would have at least discussed it.


spicy_zanella
Jun. 2nd, 2005 07:25 am (UTC)
First of approximately 100 times Kate says "I'm going with you." ;-D

word. my fiends always yel at me when we're watching b/c whenever kate approaches a group of peole talking, i always shout "me too! me too!" even if it has nothing to do with the present situation...

Oh right, so we can have Samuel L. Jackson in Season 2. Meh.

*sigh*

Aw, why doesn't Kate stay in Jack's arms when he pulls her into the cockpit? Silly girl!

oh the list goes on - hello! - she's seen sawyer's bare chest multiple times (and one time, bare chest plus) and somehow she didn't just throw herself at him immediately...or at least lick him a little...well she did introduce tongue into 'the' kiss...
halfdutch
Jun. 2nd, 2005 09:14 am (UTC)
It's not Kate's fault - it's the writers. Just keep saying that. ;-D

Kate is one cool chick to resist the Sawyer GUH! factor! But realistically, I wouldn't throw myself at Sawyer either, if I were in her shoes, especially not if I still thought he was a Class-A jerk. But she definitely went above and beyond on the kiss, so she's not immune to him. It's just her trust issues, right? (sighs)
frooshoo
Jun. 2nd, 2005 12:56 pm (UTC)
Even though it was a repeat, I was still going to do my commentary, you know what I'm going to say now don't you...

Minute 19: First of approximately 100 times Kate says "I'm going with you." ;-D

And I think she said that in just the first four episodes..*smile*

Sawyer, I don't think we did see him before that, but damn, that smoking gets me every time.

frooshoo
Jun. 2nd, 2005 12:57 pm (UTC)
Forgot to add in, can't wait for "Empire" love history, and it looks so damn good..also can't wait for "Rome" on HBO.
halfdutch
Jun. 2nd, 2005 10:28 pm (UTC)
That was a very memorable entrance for Sawyer. That scowl. That attitude! ;-D

I guess I'll check out "Empire" on the off chance it's half as good as "Gladiator," although I doubt it!

lillyjk
Jun. 2nd, 2005 01:11 pm (UTC)
I thought I caught a glimps of Sawyer sitting on the ground in one of the Jack scenes at the very beginning. I'll have to go back and see exactly how far in it is. I just remember seeing dude with Sawyer type hair and the t-shirt over long sleeve shirt combo on.

Other pilot thoughts-I swear to god foxy has a boner in this episode. There's a scene right before he gets his arm patched up. We have a sideways shot of him in those black pants and he's totally tenting them. I wish somebody had some shots of that for confirmation.


It's funny watching it again from the beginning (even though I've seen this ep several times) 'cuz now we're all looking for stuff we didn't realize was important the first time around.

and freakin' Hurley was hilarious from the get-go.
halfdutch
Jun. 2nd, 2005 10:31 pm (UTC)
Irony alert: When Kate says she would have run away during the "stiching up" scene, Jack tells her "You're not running now." Ah, Kate ... Born to Run ...

I saw that too -- the Foxy boner! Ha! Or something that looked a lot like one.

It is fun to watch again, with our analysis machines in overdrive.
crystalkirk
Jun. 2nd, 2005 04:47 pm (UTC)
As I saw you commented above: I slow-moed that last night on my DVR too. Mom was like WTF are you doing? Heh. At first glance I sure thought it was Sawyer, the guy did have the same shirt combo on, but after I slowed it down. Not so much. Good to know I wasn't the only person that thought/did this last night. LOL.

Minute 19: First of approximately 100 times Kate says "I'm going with you." ;-D

Hee! I made this observation too. It amused me to no end. Then annoyed me because I so know we're not done with it.

If re-watching the pilot last night (again) did anything for me, it was remind me how much I love this show. No hatches, no Others, just people dealing with each other. Me likey a lot.
halfdutch
Jun. 2nd, 2005 10:33 pm (UTC)
We Sawyer lovers - nothing if not obsessed! I do love his introduction scene though. How memorable is that? He sure made an impression!

Oh, Kate. Eternal tagalong. She must have been the youngest in her family, huh?

I love everyone's interactions at first. There are times I wish the show wasn't about all the mysteries and had just been a survival show. But I'm not complaining. Not really. ;-D

And now that I'm stocked up on finale-era icons I want to go back and reinstate my Classic!Sawyer icons. Sigh.
crystalkirk
Jun. 2nd, 2005 11:05 pm (UTC)
I love his introduction too, so very him. Though I do wish he had been around in the background during the aftermath. Nothing as pronounced as Shannon, Michael or Jin's screaming - but just somewhere wandering about. As eternally cool as Sawyer is, I can't imagine he fell out of the sky and was promptly all nonchalant about it. Heh. It just would have been kinda cool to see that fleeting vulneribilty there, so when the rewatching occurs, it'd be a nifty little bonus. I'm just assuming they really didn't know where they were going with Sawyer yet (or how freakishly good Josh's acting would be with the subtleties of expression) so they didn't feel the urge to give him a moment of semi-softness there.

Awww, I'll do it! I'm complaining! Heh. I love the mysteries, I do, but I love the survival stuff more and really wish we'd get back to that next year, though it doesn't seem likely.
foxxcub
Jun. 3rd, 2005 01:11 am (UTC)
If anything, we got the vulnerability with the whole polar bear shooting. He's all badass and cocky and I'm-too-cool-for-this-shit until he sees that it's A FUCKING POLAR BEAR. Like I've said before, that little flash of shock and fear across his face is one of my all-time favorite Sawyer scenes.e

Unfortunately, the ratings are from the paranormal stuff. If it was just about the survivors, we'd be obsessing over a cult show (i.e. Buffy) and not a "phenomenon".
crystalkirk
Jun. 3rd, 2005 01:29 am (UTC)
I love the "I shot a bear!" scene too, but I've never really taken it as vulnerability - but I'll certainly look for that interpretion when I rewatch it.

And yeah, I of course agree, but almost wish for it to have cult status instead. More of a sleeper hit, like "Veronica Mars" with the insanely awesomeness. Yet, I love that our boys (and girls) are getting such positive attention for their great work. Quite the double-edged sword.
halfdutch
Jun. 3rd, 2005 01:33 am (UTC)
I LOVE that moment. It's so WTF? And he looks like a little boy for just a second there. I guess I didn't really peg that so much as vulnerable as when he shoots the marshall and realizes he fucked up and he's just CRUSHED. But, yes, the badass mask drops for a second here and I absolutely love it.

I still can't believe a show I love this much is so damn popular! ;-D
But it's both a cult show AND a huge phenomenon. Like The X-Files meets ER. (In terms of appeal.)

Very clever really. You can be into the show just for the mysteries, just for the hot, hot, characters or ... um, the pretty scenery? ;-D
kiki_miserychic
Jun. 2nd, 2005 07:30 pm (UTC)
In retrospect, why would Jack leave all the other survivors and go off alone to tend to his wounds? Did he think he'd be able to sew himself up on his own at first, until he actually got a look at his wound?
I think that he didn't want people to see that he had injuries. The way lots of doctors hate being sick... and just after I type that I realize it's not a simile. That's exactly it. Silly me.

The first shot we see is of Sawyer - 11 minutes in, lighting a cigarette and looking pissed. ;-D Anyone ever see a glimpse of him prior to that?
There's an amazing fic about what happened in those first few minutes with Sawyer and a girl. I'll have to find it for you because it's a great read. Maybe we'll get a flashback to it later because it seems important. I was thinking about how the show never leaves the island in present, but only stays inland in the flashbacks, then realized "DUH!" they flashed back to Locke when he started walking after the crash in "Walkabout".

I have always been in the "Locke is Creepy" camp. Ever since the Sinister Orange Smile.
I am the only person in the entire fandom who thought that the Orange Smile was cute. Especially after "Walkabout" when I understood that despite the crash, he was happy about the miracle.
halfdutch
Jun. 2nd, 2005 10:37 pm (UTC)
That makes sense to me, that Jack didn't want to be seen as vulnerable. But that scene only makes sense if he thought he could deal with the wound himself.

I just read that fic! By yorda right? I really liked it! The show has deprived us of Sawyer-during-the-crash scenes! So yay for fic!

But Locke was smiling at her while she was removing the shoes off a corpse. Sorry! I'm still in the "creepy" camp. I do like how they've played it so ambiguously because the "just glad to be alive and walkin'" interpretation definitely fits too.
kho
Jun. 3rd, 2005 01:09 am (UTC)
When I think about the Orange Smile, I always think "Hmm, now I must try to make other Godfather references."

And wait. Is Samuel L. Jackson really gonna be in season 2? Or is that just a thought? Because that? Would KILL! I LOVE Samuel L Jackson.
halfdutch
Jun. 3rd, 2005 01:27 am (UTC)
"Take the Boone. Leave the heroin." Or something like that. ;-)

Yes, Samuel L. Jackson has been cast as Rose's husband. Don't know if that means it's just in flashback or on the island itself. Love to see him and Locke go toe to toe, huh? Although Rose's husband probably *isn't* a badass.


foxxcub
Jun. 3rd, 2005 01:15 am (UTC)
I skipped watching the pilot to write fic, heh. Now you make me want to go watch again, dammit! ;D But I always thought Jack separated himself from the others to be alone with his injuries, like he couldn't think with the chaos surrounding him. My thought is, why do they wait so long to show Sawyer? It's like they knew his character needed a special intro ;D
halfdutch
Jun. 3rd, 2005 01:30 am (UTC)
I like that idea. He just needed to concentrate. And then when he saw how bad his cut was, he was like, 'Oh shit!'

Yes, I've wondered about how and when Sawyer finally makes an appearance. Why didn't they show what he was doing during or after the crash? Maybe in a future flashback? In which the hair will be even more different! ;-D

But I do love his intro. He's so brooding and angsty from the first second.
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